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> Right now I have some faith the courts in the US will stand up to this and get the US back on track I don't mean to sound hysterical but I don't share your f

> Right now I have some faith the courts in the US will stand up to this and get the US back on track I don't mean to sound hysterical but I don't share your faith for two main reasons: - my faith in the Supreme Court diminishes with every year. It is clear a majority are far more motivated by ideology than a straightforward reading of the law - Trump can just ignore the courts. We're not there yet but all signs show we're going in that direction. The end point of that trajectory is the involvement of the police and/or the military. I really, really hope we don't go there.

shadowgovt 2y ago
The Courts have no enforcement power. If the Executive proves unwilling to accede to court orders, the Courts don't have the legal ability to use violence to compel the Executive. At that point, it comes down to whether Congress will impeach and remove. If Congress will not impeach and remove, the Courts are defanged and we functionally have (at least) four years of Executive rule with no legal check on that authority. If Congress will impeach and remove, it comes down to whether the Executive complies. If the Executive does not comply... ... the point is, a lot in the American system actually hinges on the Executive's consent. And the man in the chair right now has no incentive to consent (he knows the moment the chair is no longer his, the weight of the American legal system will come down on his head and he'll at least spend the rest of his life in court cases if not incarcerated. Multiple states want his ass on a platter for crimes in their jurisdictions outside of his function as President). It's a very dangerous time for the American Experiment, existentially.
- chii 2y ago
  > Multiple states want his ass on a platter for crimes in their jurisdictions outside of his function as President if this were truly the case, then the orange man will fight to remain in power indefinitely. There should and need to be a civil war 2.0 if this happens - lest the bastion of western democracy falls (and it will, if that comes to pass). Then china is the least of the USA's problems. But perhaps this is the engineered outcome desired by russia, if you would believe the conspiracy theory that trump is a foreign asset.
  - shadowgovt 2y ago
    Correct. This is why I take his "jokes" about a third term quite seriously. It is not even necessary he be, formally, a Russian foreign asset; his actions would be beneficial to Russia whether or not they actively supported him. It cannot be overstated: he is a man who believes in will-to-power logic, has consistently operated on the principle of "whatever they let me get away with is good," and has no incentive to ever stop being President.

shadowgovt 2y ago

The Courts have no enforcement power. If the Executive proves unwilling to accede to court orders, the Courts don't have the legal ability to use violence to compel the Executive. At that point, it comes down to whether Congress will impeach and remove. If Congress will not impeach and remove, the Courts are defanged and we functionally have (at least) four years of Executive rule with no legal check on that authority. If Congress will impeach and remove, it comes down to whether the Executive complies. If the Executive does not comply... ... the point is, a lot in the American system actually hinges on the Executive's consent. And the man in the chair right now has no incentive to consent (he knows the moment the chair is no longer his, the weight of the American legal system will come down on his head and he'll at least spend the rest of his life in court cases if not incarcerated. Multiple states want his ass on a platter for crimes in their jurisdictions outside of his function as President). It's a very dangerous time for the American Experiment, existentially.

chii 2y ago
> Multiple states want his ass on a platter for crimes in their jurisdictions outside of his function as President if this were truly the case, then the orange man will fight to remain in power indefinitely. There should and need to be a civil war 2.0 if this happens - lest the bastion of western democracy falls (and it will, if that comes to pass). Then china is the least of the USA's problems. But perhaps this is the engineered outcome desired by russia, if you would believe the conspiracy theory that trump is a foreign asset.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  Correct. This is why I take his "jokes" about a third term quite seriously. It is not even necessary he be, formally, a Russian foreign asset; his actions would be beneficial to Russia whether or not they actively supported him. It cannot be overstated: he is a man who believes in will-to-power logic, has consistently operated on the principle of "whatever they let me get away with is good," and has no incentive to ever stop being President.