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Can you explain and reference sources? Otherwise it is a pretty vague comment.

afavour 1y ago
I would imagine Project 2025 is a good source here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 Every American owes it to themselves to familiarize themselves with the project and its aims, because a number of its authors are the ones wielding power right now.
- andrewblossom 1y ago
  And a good way to keep track of their "progress" here: https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/
- bhouston 1y ago
  Thank you!
- rahimnathwani 1y ago
  The chapter about education is a great read.
- vel0city 1y ago
  It's insane to me how many people argued with me that Project 2025 was democrat propaganda to smear Trump. Both online here on Hacker News and in person.
  - yks 1y ago
    DARVO in action
  - mschuster91 1y ago
    The thing is, people are expecting that campaign promises are pointless blathering. That's what led many people to believe it will be just the same this time.
    - vel0city 1y ago
      No, they were arguing these things are so obviously bad and wrong, Trump would never actually do these and these aren't his platform. They're just conspiracy theories by Democrats to slander Trump. So many people and news orgs kept repeating Trump's lies about how he doesn't know anything about Project 2025 and its totally unrelated to what he wants to do. Some examples on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41505433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41505433 > It’s “real” in the same way as Steele Dossier was real. > As far as I can tell it’s just a smear device along the lines of “when did you stop beating your wife”, or fake “dossier”, or “Russian collusion” And even if you were dumb enough to think "this is just puffery, he wouldn't do things this terrible", why are you voting for the guy arguing he's going to do terrible things?!
    - watwut 1y ago
      No, this happens all too often and was successful too many times to bee random. Moderate republicans used this as a tactic for decades. They always claim the thing that is happening is not happening, they always claim that opposition is paranoid. This is just people who want republicans to win and either support the project or who do not care about whatever one way or the other protecting the party.
- faster 1y ago
  Here's a dashboard. https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/ Not a substitute for reading the doc but good for a quick overview.
  - rstuart4133 1y ago
    Once I stated reading that dashboard (a couple of weeks ago) I could not stop. It's a real page turner. My favourite moment (spoiler): > Abolish the Federal Reserve and move to a "free banking" system. Don't let that reveal dint your interest. In the Handmaids Tale such a long list of horrors would have bored the reader, but in the Administrations blueprint for the USA that already has 41% of the items off in just 100 days it's riveting reading. I can resist pointing out another highlight for me: > Lessen child labor regulations to allow "teenage workers" to work "inherently dangerous jobs". In sure Project 2025 is sustained to become a true classic.
beardedwizard 1y ago
Project 2025 would be the most obvious answer
justinrubek 1y ago
How do you suppose such evidence could be procured? I understand the burden of proof in terms of claims, but this is one that is, by design, difficult to gather substantial evidence for. Particularly without legal/criminal repercussions, and that's in good times when they are at least making an attempt to follow the law.
- ffsm8 1y ago
  Is it? I mean it wasn't a particularly spicy statement - did anyone actually think the president wrote any of the plans he's greenlighting / signing? If anything, I was kinda confused why he called that into question, the job of the president is to decide whose plan is getting executed at any given time, not actually do the planning himself
mbfg 1y ago
Project 2025 is the playbook, plenty of references on line.
- alabastervlog 1y ago
  As with the Project for a New American Century douchebags, they just straight-up told us the bad things they were going to do to the country, and now they're doing them, and people still manage to be all, "hey, where'd all this stuff come from?!". Our news media are terrible.
  - SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
    This was all widely reported, I'm not sure why you're criticizing the news media.
    - alabastervlog 1y ago
      There is no reason at all it shouldn't have been the only thing they'd bring up when talking to or about Trump during the campaign. Instead, they let "oh, yeah, never heard of it" slide.
      - SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
        I don’t agree with the premise. Should the news have refused to talk about his tariff plans or promises of personal retribution so they could reserve the space for Project 2025?
    - Sindisil 1y ago
      What was widely reported was that he disavowed Project 2025. Those denials were seldom challenged, nor were the many Heritage Foundation related people that were also in Trump's inner circles reported upon in any critical way.
mikepurvis 1y ago
Mass deportations was right there in Project 2025, the "plan" about which Trump claimed to have no knowledge during the campaign: https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained Dude can barely string two sentences together— can't tell when a photo has been annotated and has no idea what Signal is. Thinks "groceries" is an old-fashioned word. It's pretty clear at this point that it's others behind the curtain running this show.
- Brohampton 1y ago
  By that logic wouldn't any of the presidents since Regan be fulfilling project 2025s "Mass deportations". Trump admin is behind even the previous admins total deportations at this point in the term. And they're being extremely lenient to businesses who hire illegal immigrants (which breaks the law) and even encouraging it.
- wing-_-nuts 1y ago
  >It's pretty clear at this point that it's others behind the curtain running this show. Honestly, the fact that he's now surrounded on all sides by Curtis Yarvin acolytes should have us deeply concerned. I fear someone with that ideology who's maliciously competent coming to power.
- ecocentrik 1y ago
  > It's pretty clear at this point that it's others behind the curtain running this show. It doesn't matter who else is running the show in his name in the same way that it didn't matter who else was running the Biden administration. He's more than just culpable by association. Stop trying to infantilize the man. He's old but he's nowhere a stupid as everyone makes him out to be. He is callous and vindictive and expects loyalty in all things. He hates all forms of liberalism including the Republican ideals of liberal democracy and believes himself to be above the law. It's his administration, even if he doesn't seem to know about or even care about all the details.
  - mikepurvis 1y ago
    Oh for sure, I don't think any of this lets him off the hook; the concern is more that the movement is significantly greater than just him. When he's out of the picture there's a whole machine ready to slot in the next guy and keep on the agenda.
SirFatty 1y ago
It's not at all vague, unless you haven't been paying attention. Project 2025, for example.
- deleted 1y ago
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- DonHopkins 1y ago
  They're fully aware of Project 2025 because they have been paying 100% full attention to people like Trump who have been claiming they never heard of it and that it was Democratic propaganda. So they know exactly what it is because we told them so, we told them so, we told them so, we told them so, and we told them so again and again, and every time they just denied it harder and harder. Now they're pretending they are surprised and never heard of it either.

I would imagine Project 2025 is a good source here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 Every American owes it to themselves to familiarize themselves with the project and its aims, because a number of its authors are the ones wielding power right now.

andrewblossom 1y ago
And a good way to keep track of their "progress" here: https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/
bhouston 1y ago
Thank you!
rahimnathwani 1y ago
The chapter about education is a great read.
vel0city 1y ago
It's insane to me how many people argued with me that Project 2025 was democrat propaganda to smear Trump. Both online here on Hacker News and in person.
- yks 1y ago
  DARVO in action
- mschuster91 1y ago
  The thing is, people are expecting that campaign promises are pointless blathering. That's what led many people to believe it will be just the same this time.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    No, they were arguing these things are so obviously bad and wrong, Trump would never actually do these and these aren't his platform. They're just conspiracy theories by Democrats to slander Trump. So many people and news orgs kept repeating Trump's lies about how he doesn't know anything about Project 2025 and its totally unrelated to what he wants to do. Some examples on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41505433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41505433 > It’s “real” in the same way as Steele Dossier was real. > As far as I can tell it’s just a smear device along the lines of “when did you stop beating your wife”, or fake “dossier”, or “Russian collusion” And even if you were dumb enough to think "this is just puffery, he wouldn't do things this terrible", why are you voting for the guy arguing he's going to do terrible things?!
  - watwut 1y ago
    No, this happens all too often and was successful too many times to bee random. Moderate republicans used this as a tactic for decades. They always claim the thing that is happening is not happening, they always claim that opposition is paranoid. This is just people who want republicans to win and either support the project or who do not care about whatever one way or the other protecting the party.
faster 1y ago
Here's a dashboard. https://www.project2025.observer/ https://www.project2025.observer/ Not a substitute for reading the doc but good for a quick overview.
- rstuart4133 1y ago
  Once I stated reading that dashboard (a couple of weeks ago) I could not stop. It's a real page turner. My favourite moment (spoiler): > Abolish the Federal Reserve and move to a "free banking" system. Don't let that reveal dint your interest. In the Handmaids Tale such a long list of horrors would have bored the reader, but in the Administrations blueprint for the USA that already has 41% of the items off in just 100 days it's riveting reading. I can resist pointing out another highlight for me: > Lessen child labor regulations to allow "teenage workers" to work "inherently dangerous jobs". In sure Project 2025 is sustained to become a true classic.

beardedwizard 1y ago

Project 2025 would be the most obvious answer

justinrubek 1y ago

How do you suppose such evidence could be procured? I understand the burden of proof in terms of claims, but this is one that is, by design, difficult to gather substantial evidence for. Particularly without legal/criminal repercussions, and that's in good times when they are at least making an attempt to follow the law.

ffsm8 1y ago
Is it? I mean it wasn't a particularly spicy statement - did anyone actually think the president wrote any of the plans he's greenlighting / signing? If anything, I was kinda confused why he called that into question, the job of the president is to decide whose plan is getting executed at any given time, not actually do the planning himself

mbfg 1y ago

Project 2025 is the playbook, plenty of references on line.

alabastervlog 1y ago
As with the Project for a New American Century douchebags, they just straight-up told us the bad things they were going to do to the country, and now they're doing them, and people still manage to be all, "hey, where'd all this stuff come from?!". Our news media are terrible.
- SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
  This was all widely reported, I'm not sure why you're criticizing the news media.
  - alabastervlog 1y ago
    There is no reason at all it shouldn't have been the only thing they'd bring up when talking to or about Trump during the campaign. Instead, they let "oh, yeah, never heard of it" slide.
    - SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
      I don’t agree with the premise. Should the news have refused to talk about his tariff plans or promises of personal retribution so they could reserve the space for Project 2025?
  - Sindisil 1y ago
    What was widely reported was that he disavowed Project 2025. Those denials were seldom challenged, nor were the many Heritage Foundation related people that were also in Trump's inner circles reported upon in any critical way.

mikepurvis 1y ago

Mass deportations was right there in Project 2025, the "plan" about which Trump claimed to have no knowledge during the campaign: https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained Dude can barely string two sentences together— can't tell when a photo has been annotated and has no idea what Signal is. Thinks "groceries" is an old-fashioned word. It's pretty clear at this point that it's others behind the curtain running this show.

Brohampton 1y ago
By that logic wouldn't any of the presidents since Regan be fulfilling project 2025s "Mass deportations". Trump admin is behind even the previous admins total deportations at this point in the term. And they're being extremely lenient to businesses who hire illegal immigrants (which breaks the law) and even encouraging it.
wing-_-nuts 1y ago
>It's pretty clear at this point that it's others behind the curtain running this show. Honestly, the fact that he's now surrounded on all sides by Curtis Yarvin acolytes should have us deeply concerned. I fear someone with that ideology who's maliciously competent coming to power.
ecocentrik 1y ago
> It's pretty clear at this point that it's others behind the curtain running this show. It doesn't matter who else is running the show in his name in the same way that it didn't matter who else was running the Biden administration. He's more than just culpable by association. Stop trying to infantilize the man. He's old but he's nowhere a stupid as everyone makes him out to be. He is callous and vindictive and expects loyalty in all things. He hates all forms of liberalism including the Republican ideals of liberal democracy and believes himself to be above the law. It's his administration, even if he doesn't seem to know about or even care about all the details.
- mikepurvis 1y ago
  Oh for sure, I don't think any of this lets him off the hook; the concern is more that the movement is significantly greater than just him. When he's out of the picture there's a whole machine ready to slot in the next guy and keep on the agenda.

SirFatty 1y ago

It's not at all vague, unless you haven't been paying attention. Project 2025, for example.

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DonHopkins 1y ago
They're fully aware of Project 2025 because they have been paying 100% full attention to people like Trump who have been claiming they never heard of it and that it was Democratic propaganda. So they know exactly what it is because we told them so, we told them so, we told them so, we told them so, and we told them so again and again, and every time they just denied it harder and harder. Now they're pretending they are surprised and never heard of it either.