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That's the real risk of AI. People blindly belueving a machine
by croes 2y ago
That's the real risk of AI.
People blindly belueving a machine
- foxyv 2y agoI can just imagine a Kafkaesque future society where people are punished based on a predictive model that is nothing more than an overly complicated random number generator.
- ashoeafoot 2y agoClaude said i should downvote, you see it has a inner model, a state of vengeful spite.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoThis is already pretty much a thing with pretrial risk assessment algorithms. Sure pretrial detention isn't "punishment" in a narrow legal-technical sense. But for the person in jail the difference doesn't matter.
- foxyv 2y agoHave you seen the documentaries on that. It was BONKERS. They would show up every day to these people's homes and give them tickets for literally anything. That bush is too tall, or whatever. Then they would threaten family members and stalk/harass them. John Lang did a little video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfD_2fVqEMk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfD_2fVqEMk
- potato3732842 2y agoThe real tragedy is that such systems can exist under the cover of political will provided by the "well if they didn't want to get fined they should have complied with <arcane rule that nobody ever expected full compliance with and was only ever intended for selective enforcement>.
- archerx 2y agoInfidelity Report. You will be caught before you cheat!
- imtringued 2y agoThat's exactly what Gattaca is about. The fact that the machine scans your genes is honestly quite irrelevant and probably the biggest thing that everyone gets wrong about that movie: Everyone blindly trusts the scanner, but such a scanner cannot possibly exist. gwern summarizes it appropriately: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14867898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14867898
- dragonwriter 2y ago> gwern summarizes it appropriately The key claims about the film that gwern's argument builds on are false, though. E.g.: "in a setting where there are no genuine consequences to any of this, no genetic engineering, no embryo selection" It is a rather central part of the story that genetic engineering and embryo selection are routine, and the principal protagonist is noteworthy because his parents did not use such techniques, and he was instead a "faith baby". gwern is clearly criticizing something, but it's not what is actually portrayed in the film Gattaca.
- gwern 2y agoMy point is that there are no 'genuine consequences'. We are told that supposedly there is selection and that the predictive power is nearly perfect and everyone relies on solely genetics to do everything; and yet, we do not see a world which reflects such effects at all. This worldbuilding does not make sense from a scientific perspective. Instead, what we see is a world in which you have extremely cheap sequencing in a panopticon and a caste society based on seemingly-random arbitrary discrimination with no actual consequences to any supposed inferiority or superiority*, akin to the classification of supposedly-objective 'classes' in North Korea where everyone is finely graded on hereditary loyalty to the elites but could be knocked down a rung at any time for suspected disloyalty. (My headcanon is that the esoteric story of _Gattaca_ is that none of the supposed embryo selection or valid/invalid screens exist at all, any embryo selection is just ordinary IVF quality control for aneuploidy etc, there is only cheap universal sequencing developed by a totalitarian police state like the CCP (see: Zero COVID testing), and the classification exists to manufacture distinctions and divide families and punish/reward elite supporters; the Freemans were some lower 'wavering' class, grouped with religious minorities, as indicated by their dissenting 'natural' birth, and so they earned a valid vs invalid split within their family. It makes more sense than the actual story, anyway.) * I've remarked elsewhere that _Gattaca_ is an example of how movies with a message tend to fail by loading the dice too heavily for one side, removing any 'moral dilemma', and it is no exception: we never see any evidence that Vincent is doing anything wrong or that he shouldn't go on the space mission. In fact, given his methodical penetration, high competency, motivation, and extraordinary success at getting into the mission, he shows that he should be selected for his moxie and chutzpah. So what _Gattaca_ should have done was to make the ending Vincent suddenly clutching his heart from the shock, and fade to black.
- netsharc 2y agoThe Company has never existed, and never will.
- ty6853 2y agoPeople have a way of believing anything when the alimony+child support reaches a number where you can just grab (at least a sizeable portion of ) the financial benefits of marriage without having to put in the work of being a partner.
- graemep 2y agoI think the problem here is old fashioned human stupidity: > According to reports, the woman asked ChatGPT to interpret the coffee grounds left in her cup — in a lighthearted attempt to mimic traditional fortune-telling This could just has easily happened with a human fortune teller.
- kees99 2y agoNo way a human fortune teller would say something like that in their right mind. Same as with fortune cookie quips, any "prediction" will be something that sounds deep and intriguing, but always vague enough to be non-falsifiable. Otherwise, client will come back and confront fortune teller about it. And human one knows it well enough to avoid making an unnecessary headache for themselves.
- rpdillon 2y agoThe article mentions him falsifying a previous fortune-teller's bullshit: > He also noted that this wasn’t the first time she had fallen into irrational beliefs. He claimed that in the past, his wife had visited an astrologer, and it took her a year to accept that nothing they said came true. I don't think the problem here is with AI.
- croes 2y agoYou can sue the fortune teller.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoIf you want to waste money and lose the case, I guess.
- croes 2y agoDefamation is defamation
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