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India should at least start off by building aesthetically sound products that people require globally - not just functional products. Just like China did. Veda

India should at least start off by building aesthetically sound products that people require globally - not just functional products. Just like China did. Vedanta-Foxconn, Adani-Tower, and now Zoho all collapsed because of questions around market viability. Sure, India has a large domestic market, but that is not reason enough for business consumers to buy Indian, nor is it a large enough market on its own. Semiconductor markets require global-scale markets, something the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese were able to break into with years of copying Western aesthetics. India thinks it can be the market leader for the developing world's semiconductor supply, but when it comes to chips, the whole package counts, not just bare functionality. With all of the world's electronics manufacturing in either China-Japan-Korea, and others in Europe, India has a very limited consumer base for chips to be sold to.

sreekanth850 2y ago
Sure India have a large market, but 90% of them need BMW at the price of Maruthi Alto.
- fakedang 2y ago
  To be fair though, the Alto, while not aesthetically as great, is still more reliable than a BMW hah!
  - brokegrammer 2y ago
    Alto is one hell of a car. Its tiny size allows easy parking in crowded places, and it sips fuel so that you can spend money on better things.
chii 2y ago
> India has a very limited consumer base for chips to be sold to. which should point to the gov't that their problem is a lack of a consumer base! And they ought to engage policies to increase this consumer base. But i dont think that's being done, from what i can see.
simianwords 2y ago
what do you mean by aesthetics?
- fakedang 2y ago
  Consumer electronic product design. India has some native consumer and business electronics manufacturing (with chips designed in China), but for an outsider to the country used to good product design, using them is an alien experience. They could have at least gotten the software part right, but nope, even that's dated. There are some companies that are working towards that end though, but they still have quite a long way to go. And a lot of native manufacturers in India have faced financial issues, so that's another hurdle.
  - Propelloni 2y ago
    Sounds like industrial design [1] or, maybe, HCI design [2] (iow. UX design) then. Got it, thank you for explaining. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_interaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_interac...
  - mc3301 2y ago
    What are some examples of bad hardware product design from India?
    - fakedang 2y ago
      Practically any Indian electronics company. Many of them with extremely dated designs. Take IFB for instance - it's a native heavy duty home appliances manufacturer in India. Their product is solid and resilient, and in many cases better than their Western equivalent, like Bosch (which I must add is going downhill). You literally get a Miele quality product at a much lower price (30-50%). Yet they lose out to the more "namebrand" companies because the UX is something that would pass for in the 2000s.
      - 2y ago
noobermin 2y ago
What does this even mean? How much aesthetics are there in a dip or smt package?
tushar-r 2y ago
>now Zoho all collapsed because of questions around market viability. When did Zoho collapse? It is privately held and seems to be worth over $10B [1] I find Vembu being quite annoying these days with all his statements and comments, but all his companies (Zoho has many, like ManageEngine) are doing well. Deciding that one new business is not viable is not a collapse. [1] https://www.ndtvprofit.com/trending/top-10-bootstrapped-companies-in-india-2024-hurun-report https://www.ndtvprofit.com/trending/top-10-bootstrapped-comp...
- fakedang 2y ago
  > Vedanta-Foxconn, Adani-Tower, and now Zoho all collapsed because of questions around market viability Take it in context. All the listed are semiconductors projects. As companies, I'm sure Vedanta, Foxconn and Adani are doing very well.

sreekanth850 2y ago

Sure India have a large market, but 90% of them need BMW at the price of Maruthi Alto.

fakedang 2y ago
To be fair though, the Alto, while not aesthetically as great, is still more reliable than a BMW hah!
- brokegrammer 2y ago
  Alto is one hell of a car. Its tiny size allows easy parking in crowded places, and it sips fuel so that you can spend money on better things.

chii 2y ago

> India has a very limited consumer base for chips to be sold to. which should point to the gov't that their problem is a lack of a consumer base! And they ought to engage policies to increase this consumer base. But i dont think that's being done, from what i can see.

simianwords 2y ago

what do you mean by aesthetics?

fakedang 2y ago
Consumer electronic product design. India has some native consumer and business electronics manufacturing (with chips designed in China), but for an outsider to the country used to good product design, using them is an alien experience. They could have at least gotten the software part right, but nope, even that's dated. There are some companies that are working towards that end though, but they still have quite a long way to go. And a lot of native manufacturers in India have faced financial issues, so that's another hurdle.
- Propelloni 2y ago
  Sounds like industrial design [1] or, maybe, HCI design [2] (iow. UX design) then. Got it, thank you for explaining. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_interaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_interac...
- mc3301 2y ago
  What are some examples of bad hardware product design from India?
  - fakedang 2y ago
    Practically any Indian electronics company. Many of them with extremely dated designs. Take IFB for instance - it's a native heavy duty home appliances manufacturer in India. Their product is solid and resilient, and in many cases better than their Western equivalent, like Bosch (which I must add is going downhill). You literally get a Miele quality product at a much lower price (30-50%). Yet they lose out to the more "namebrand" companies because the UX is something that would pass for in the 2000s.
    - 2y ago

noobermin 2y ago

What does this even mean? How much aesthetics are there in a dip or smt package?

tushar-r 2y ago

>now Zoho all collapsed because of questions around market viability. When did Zoho collapse? It is privately held and seems to be worth over $10B [1] I find Vembu being quite annoying these days with all his statements and comments, but all his companies (Zoho has many, like ManageEngine) are doing well. Deciding that one new business is not viable is not a collapse. [1] https://www.ndtvprofit.com/trending/top-10-bootstrapped-companies-in-india-2024-hurun-report https://www.ndtvprofit.com/trending/top-10-bootstrapped-comp...

fakedang 2y ago
> Vedanta-Foxconn, Adani-Tower, and now Zoho all collapsed because of questions around market viability Take it in context. All the listed are semiconductors projects. As companies, I'm sure Vedanta, Foxconn and Adani are doing very well.