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> Workers in professional sports and entertainment, for example, which fully embrace labor unions, make software developers look like they work for peanuts. I

> Workers in professional sports and entertainment, for example, which fully embrace labor unions, make software developers look like they work for peanuts. I am pretty sure that union is not the most significant part why pay is high here.

9rx 1y ago
We're all pretty sure of that. How did you come to conclude that others might have thought differently?
- dang 1y ago
  Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - 9rx 1y ago
    What do you mean by flamewar? The dictionary defines it as "an online dispute or argument characterized by heated, angry, and often abusive exchanges between multiple participants.", which is in line with my understanding, but that isn't applicable here, so I am unsure how to interpret it. Further, the link states that the site is for "Anything that good hackers would find interesting.", which is what the question poses. The answer is something that would be found interesting – that is why it was asked, after all – so it seems the use is perfectly in line with expectations.
    - dang 1y ago
      I'm fine with that definition. "We're all pretty sure of that. Where did you dream up this straw man?" is just the kind of provocation that produces that kind of discussion, though. One thing to keep in mind is that most of us underestimate the provocation in our own posts (let's say by 10x) and overestimate the provocation in others' posts (let's say by another 10x) and that leads to quite a skew in perception [1]. I believe this is why everyone always feels like the other person started it / did worse [2]. Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear! [3] [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20%2210x%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22started%20it%22%20worse&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20objects%20mirror%20appear&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
      - 9rx 1y ago
        Interesting. Not how I would interpret it, but I understand that communication is hard. I have edited in a hopefully successful effort to more accurately convey the question.
        dang 1y ago
        Ok, that works! And I appreciate the thoughtful reply.
- matkoniecz 1y ago
  Sports and entertainment have super-star effect where vast majority is paid nothing or meager sums, while few stars pull massive piles of money. I suspect that this drives wages high for highly paid individuals in sport and entertainment. Note that stars in entertainment, in fields without unions also earn a lot.
  - 9rx 1y ago
    My question, as originally phrased, apparently was going to cause world war three or something like that according to another commenter, so at their behest I reworded it. Maybe something got lost in that effort, but I was trying to ask where you got the idea that anyone thinks that entertainment/sports stars make as much money as they do because of unions? I've never heard of such a thing and it violates everything we know about economics, so where you find fit in this 'revelation' you keep repeating is curious.

9rx 1y ago

We're all pretty sure of that. How did you come to conclude that others might have thought differently?

dang 1y ago
Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- 9rx 1y ago
  What do you mean by flamewar? The dictionary defines it as "an online dispute or argument characterized by heated, angry, and often abusive exchanges between multiple participants.", which is in line with my understanding, but that isn't applicable here, so I am unsure how to interpret it. Further, the link states that the site is for "Anything that good hackers would find interesting.", which is what the question poses. The answer is something that would be found interesting – that is why it was asked, after all – so it seems the use is perfectly in line with expectations.
  - dang 1y ago
    I'm fine with that definition. "We're all pretty sure of that. Where did you dream up this straw man?" is just the kind of provocation that produces that kind of discussion, though. One thing to keep in mind is that most of us underestimate the provocation in our own posts (let's say by 10x) and overestimate the provocation in others' posts (let's say by another 10x) and that leads to quite a skew in perception [1]. I believe this is why everyone always feels like the other person started it / did worse [2]. Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear! [3] [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20%2210x%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22started%20it%22%20worse&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20objects%20mirror%20appear&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
    - 9rx 1y ago
      Interesting. Not how I would interpret it, but I understand that communication is hard. I have edited in a hopefully successful effort to more accurately convey the question.
      - dang 1y ago
        Ok, that works! And I appreciate the thoughtful reply.
matkoniecz 1y ago
Sports and entertainment have super-star effect where vast majority is paid nothing or meager sums, while few stars pull massive piles of money. I suspect that this drives wages high for highly paid individuals in sport and entertainment. Note that stars in entertainment, in fields without unions also earn a lot.
- 9rx 1y ago
  My question, as originally phrased, apparently was going to cause world war three or something like that according to another commenter, so at their behest I reworded it. Maybe something got lost in that effort, but I was trying to ask where you got the idea that anyone thinks that entertainment/sports stars make as much money as they do because of unions? I've never heard of such a thing and it violates everything we know about economics, so where you find fit in this 'revelation' you keep repeating is curious.