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I don't use a desktop environment, so I'll cancel my Dropbox subscription. It's a good moment to move to an european storage provider I suppose.

by emigre 1y ago

WJW 1y ago
I hear Koofr is pretty decent.
- emigre 1y ago
  I have been thinking about Hetzer with rsync for a while.
  - aboardRat4 1y ago
    With Syncthing?
  - WJW 1y ago
    Ah, the HN classic experience.
    - emigre 1y ago
      Hahah... True...
  - blueflow 1y ago
    I did that, switching from Dropbox to Hetzner. I'm quite satisfied. My workflow is: Upload/backup often, Download only manually to continue working on the thing from another machine. When you use the SSH port 23 instead of 22 you can use the regular authorized_keys mechanism for authentication.
- emigre 1y ago
  I know filen.io as well.
GlacierFox 1y ago
I recommend pCloud. Been using them for years.
- louthy 1y ago
  I don’t recommend pCloud after I tried moving to them and their synchronisation just broke fundamentally causing me to lose data. Also their client encryption feature was so slow as to make it unusable. (This was on their Linux client)
  - palata 1y ago
    I use pCloud with restic (instead of their client). Works well.
hagbard_c 1y ago
If you have a good network connection at home I'd replace that 'cloud storage' subscription with a low-power machine running e.g. Nextcloud or something similar, connected to your home network. You'll have all the storage you want for as long as you want. Make sure to make regular backups and you're done.
- yard2010 1y ago
  You end up having to use cloud for backups right? What is your setup?
  - hagbard_c 1y ago
    Backups to friends and family with similar setups (which I installed for them) who in turn store their backups on my system. Everything is encrypted so those friends and family can be assured their private data stays private, same for me. I use Proxmox Backup Server for this purpose.
- emigre 1y ago
  I've thought about that, but what if there's a fire at home, or a flood or something. I know, I know, unlikely, but...
  - hagbard_c 1y ago
    Backups are the solution to this problem and backups are necessary no matter where you store your data. Don´t trust commercial 'cloud storage' providers to do this for you, make sure you have backups available and test whether those backups can be restored before you need to do this in earnest.
diego_sandoval 1y ago
For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863
- _joel 1y ago
  It's quite trivial
  - mmh0000 1y ago
    <beep beep sarcasm detected> But, for anyone on a site literally called "Hacker News", a DIY dropbox should be trivial. The fact that anybody, especially, "nerds" or "hackers" would pay good money for what is effectively an FTP server with file versioning is insane. I am mostly jealous that I didn't build and sell dropbox. Becoming an overnight millionaire by setting up an FTP server. But seriously, modern approach, rclone[1] + "cloud" stoage (webdav, ssh, wasabi, whatever) [1] https://rclone.org/ https://rclone.org/
- wkat4242 1y ago
  What Dropbox does well though is on demand sync. Having frequently accessed files stored and synced locally and offline available while keeping most of the files off the limited harddrive space. Other options like OneDrive don't have such capability on Linux or are not available there at all. It's very hard to find a suitable alternative especially a European one.
- homebrewer 1y ago
  Too many moving parts, just use syncthing, it will also get you Android support and efficient synchronization across multiple nodes.
bowsamic 1y ago
You don't use a desktop environment?...
- emigre 1y ago
  No, I use a tiling window manager.
  - bowsamic 1y ago
    Is that not a desktop environment?
    - cruzcampo 1y ago
      It's one of the components of a desktop environment, but not a desktop environment itself: https://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-environment-vs-window-manager/ https://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-...
    - mmh0000 1y ago
      A quick comparison: think Linux Kernel (window manager) vs Linux Distribution (desktop environment). A window manager is part of a desktop environment. A desktop environment is usually made up of: - A window manager (i.e. kwin, xfwm, i3, etc.) - A file manager (i.e. Dolphin, Nautalis, etc.) - Other utilities, such as a network configuration tool, a print config tool, maybe a web browser, a calendar or PIM system, calculator, etc.
threatripper 1y ago
For the UX designer this is totally acceptable. They lose 10% to gain 100%.
tacker2000 1y ago
Im using Hetzner Storage share, which is a managed Nextcloud service, since years with no issues.[1] Starts at 4.29 € for 1TB. Also, in one company where im the IT guy, ive been self hosting a Seafile instance for years without problems. So there are plenty of alternatives out there. [1]https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/ https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/
- palata 1y ago
  That's really cool! Question though: I guess it's not end-to-end encrypted?
  - tacker2000 1y ago
    You need to enable this feature in Nextcloud itself, it doesn't matter where it is hosted. "Nextcloud features an enterprise-grade, seamlessly integrated solution for end-to-end encryption. It enables users to pick one or more folders on their desktop or mobile client for end-to-end encryption. Folders can be shared with other users and synced between devices but are not readable by the server. "[1] EDIT: so i just checked, it seems Hetzner doesnt have the E2E option that Nextcloud has switched on, since it's deemed unstable. so one could use a tool like Cryptomator to encrypt folders locally and send that folder to the cloud [2] [1] https://nextcloud.com/features/#end-to-end https://nextcloud.com/features/#end-to-end [2] https://cryptomator.org/ https://cryptomator.org/
    - palata 1y ago
      > so one could use a tool like Cryptomator to encrypt folders locally and send that folder to the cloud Yeah I already use restic, which I believe is similar (E2EE backups to cloud). But I don't need Nextcloud for that :). I was actually interested in the Hetzner managed Nextcloud for e.g. my family, so that I can move them away from Google Drive/iCloud. I can't reasonably ask my family to use cryptomator or restic :D.
KronisLV 1y ago
> It's a good moment to move to an european storage provider I suppose. I recently started using the Hetzner Storage Share: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/ https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/ Basically, it's just managed Nextcloud (so you're not vendor locked and if you want you can just get a VPS and host Nextcloud directly too), works okay, pricing seems fine, though there is the occasional downtime when they do updates between the versions or need to do maintenance. Overall, would recommend at least looking at it.
maccard 1y ago
> The Dropbox app can also run in headless mode, once you meet the essential system requirements. This runs without a graphical user interface. You can install the app, then control Dropbox using the Linux Command Line Interface (CLI). From the article. So presumably this doesn’t affect you
- emigre 1y ago
  Ah, that's good to know.
  - emigre 1y ago
    In any case, I like the alternatives that are mentioned in this thread, to be honest, so I think I'll move away from Dropbox anyway.
duttish 1y ago
I've been using Tresorit for a few years, happy so far. I made a synced folder of my entire workspace folder and now I have automatic backup and sync between laptop and desktop. No thinking, it just works.
omnimus 1y ago
I switched some time ago and after lots of tests i can recommend two services. I use linux and mac. Filen.io is e2ee and has all kinds of nice features besides sync. For example you can mount it as a network drive but it mounts some clever localhost drive that the app spawns that does caching and conflict resolution. They also support rclone and it will be soon provider in regular rclone releases. Downside is that because e2ee it doesnt yet have teams/shared folders (its very anticipated feature in progress). The other one i can recommend is kDrive from infomaniak. We use that for work and its probably best 1to1 dropbox replacement. It has “offline” virtual files and its pretty affordable. The only downside is that the sharing between users is not as smooth ux wise as dropbox and its not e2ee.
LinAGKar 1y ago
Or just Syncthing, for peer-to-peer sync
kurtis_reed 1y ago
Just use Maestral?

I don't use a desktop environment, so I'll cancel my Dropbox subscription. It's a good moment to move to an european storage provider I suppose.

by emigre 1y ago

I don't use a desktop environment, so I'll cancel my Dropbox subscription. It's a good moment to move to an european storage provider I suppose.

WJW 1y ago

I hear Koofr is pretty decent.

emigre 1y ago
I have been thinking about Hetzer with rsync for a while.
- aboardRat4 1y ago
  With Syncthing?
- WJW 1y ago
  Ah, the HN classic experience.
  - emigre 1y ago
    Hahah... True...
- blueflow 1y ago
  I did that, switching from Dropbox to Hetzner. I'm quite satisfied. My workflow is: Upload/backup often, Download only manually to continue working on the thing from another machine. When you use the SSH port 23 instead of 22 you can use the regular authorized_keys mechanism for authentication.
emigre 1y ago
I know filen.io as well.

GlacierFox 1y ago

I recommend pCloud. Been using them for years.

louthy 1y ago
I don’t recommend pCloud after I tried moving to them and their synchronisation just broke fundamentally causing me to lose data. Also their client encryption feature was so slow as to make it unusable. (This was on their Linux client)
- palata 1y ago
  I use pCloud with restic (instead of their client). Works well.

hagbard_c 1y ago

If you have a good network connection at home I'd replace that 'cloud storage' subscription with a low-power machine running e.g. Nextcloud or something similar, connected to your home network. You'll have all the storage you want for as long as you want. Make sure to make regular backups and you're done.

yard2010 1y ago
You end up having to use cloud for backups right? What is your setup?
- hagbard_c 1y ago
  Backups to friends and family with similar setups (which I installed for them) who in turn store their backups on my system. Everything is encrypted so those friends and family can be assured their private data stays private, same for me. I use Proxmox Backup Server for this purpose.
emigre 1y ago
I've thought about that, but what if there's a fire at home, or a flood or something. I know, I know, unlikely, but...
- hagbard_c 1y ago
  Backups are the solution to this problem and backups are necessary no matter where you store your data. Don´t trust commercial 'cloud storage' providers to do this for you, make sure you have backups available and test whether those backups can be restored before you need to do this in earnest.

diego_sandoval 1y ago

For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

_joel 1y ago
It's quite trivial
- mmh0000 1y ago
  <beep beep sarcasm detected> But, for anyone on a site literally called "Hacker News", a DIY dropbox should be trivial. The fact that anybody, especially, "nerds" or "hackers" would pay good money for what is effectively an FTP server with file versioning is insane. I am mostly jealous that I didn't build and sell dropbox. Becoming an overnight millionaire by setting up an FTP server. But seriously, modern approach, rclone[1] + "cloud" stoage (webdav, ssh, wasabi, whatever) [1] https://rclone.org/ https://rclone.org/
wkat4242 1y ago
What Dropbox does well though is on demand sync. Having frequently accessed files stored and synced locally and offline available while keeping most of the files off the limited harddrive space. Other options like OneDrive don't have such capability on Linux or are not available there at all. It's very hard to find a suitable alternative especially a European one.
homebrewer 1y ago
Too many moving parts, just use syncthing, it will also get you Android support and efficient synchronization across multiple nodes.

bowsamic 1y ago

You don't use a desktop environment?...

emigre 1y ago
No, I use a tiling window manager.
- bowsamic 1y ago
  Is that not a desktop environment?
  - cruzcampo 1y ago
    It's one of the components of a desktop environment, but not a desktop environment itself: https://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-environment-vs-window-manager/ https://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-...
  - mmh0000 1y ago
    A quick comparison: think Linux Kernel (window manager) vs Linux Distribution (desktop environment). A window manager is part of a desktop environment. A desktop environment is usually made up of: - A window manager (i.e. kwin, xfwm, i3, etc.) - A file manager (i.e. Dolphin, Nautalis, etc.) - Other utilities, such as a network configuration tool, a print config tool, maybe a web browser, a calendar or PIM system, calculator, etc.

threatripper 1y ago

For the UX designer this is totally acceptable. They lose 10% to gain 100%.

tacker2000 1y ago

Im using Hetzner Storage share, which is a managed Nextcloud service, since years with no issues.[1] Starts at 4.29 € for 1TB. Also, in one company where im the IT guy, ive been self hosting a Seafile instance for years without problems. So there are plenty of alternatives out there. [1]https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/ https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/

palata 1y ago
That's really cool! Question though: I guess it's not end-to-end encrypted?
- tacker2000 1y ago
  You need to enable this feature in Nextcloud itself, it doesn't matter where it is hosted. "Nextcloud features an enterprise-grade, seamlessly integrated solution for end-to-end encryption. It enables users to pick one or more folders on their desktop or mobile client for end-to-end encryption. Folders can be shared with other users and synced between devices but are not readable by the server. "[1] EDIT: so i just checked, it seems Hetzner doesnt have the E2E option that Nextcloud has switched on, since it's deemed unstable. so one could use a tool like Cryptomator to encrypt folders locally and send that folder to the cloud [2] [1] https://nextcloud.com/features/#end-to-end https://nextcloud.com/features/#end-to-end [2] https://cryptomator.org/ https://cryptomator.org/
  - palata 1y ago
    > so one could use a tool like Cryptomator to encrypt folders locally and send that folder to the cloud Yeah I already use restic, which I believe is similar (E2EE backups to cloud). But I don't need Nextcloud for that :). I was actually interested in the Hetzner managed Nextcloud for e.g. my family, so that I can move them away from Google Drive/iCloud. I can't reasonably ask my family to use cryptomator or restic :D.

KronisLV 1y ago

> It's a good moment to move to an european storage provider I suppose. I recently started using the Hetzner Storage Share: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/ https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share/ Basically, it's just managed Nextcloud (so you're not vendor locked and if you want you can just get a VPS and host Nextcloud directly too), works okay, pricing seems fine, though there is the occasional downtime when they do updates between the versions or need to do maintenance. Overall, would recommend at least looking at it.

maccard 1y ago

> The Dropbox app can also run in headless mode, once you meet the essential system requirements. This runs without a graphical user interface. You can install the app, then control Dropbox using the Linux Command Line Interface (CLI). From the article. So presumably this doesn’t affect you

emigre 1y ago
Ah, that's good to know.
- emigre 1y ago
  In any case, I like the alternatives that are mentioned in this thread, to be honest, so I think I'll move away from Dropbox anyway.

duttish 1y ago

I've been using Tresorit for a few years, happy so far. I made a synced folder of my entire workspace folder and now I have automatic backup and sync between laptop and desktop. No thinking, it just works.

omnimus 1y ago

I switched some time ago and after lots of tests i can recommend two services. I use linux and mac. Filen.io is e2ee and has all kinds of nice features besides sync. For example you can mount it as a network drive but it mounts some clever localhost drive that the app spawns that does caching and conflict resolution. They also support rclone and it will be soon provider in regular rclone releases. Downside is that because e2ee it doesnt yet have teams/shared folders (its very anticipated feature in progress). The other one i can recommend is kDrive from infomaniak. We use that for work and its probably best 1to1 dropbox replacement. It has “offline” virtual files and its pretty affordable. The only downside is that the sharing between users is not as smooth ux wise as dropbox and its not e2ee.

LinAGKar 1y ago

Or just Syncthing, for peer-to-peer sync

kurtis_reed 1y ago

Just use Maestral?