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Is there any hope of a non-joke fine here? Or are we just looking at another kiss of the wrists as them and Google and all the other big tech cos fuck literally

Is there any hope of a non-joke fine here? Or are we just looking at another kiss of the wrists as them and Google and all the other big tech cos fuck literally everyone over?

semiquaver 1y ago
The important penalty isn’t a fine, it’s a forced change of behavior to comply with the injunction. The referral for criminal contempt charges will end up being a slap on the wrist if they are even charged though.
- bpodgursky 1y ago
  No this is actually going get Tim Cook's attention. Contempt can mean actual jail time for execs.
ocdtrekkie 1y ago
A fine isn't even necessary: Apple's App Store business just ended. Between app sales and IAP it has a 30% tax. If an app developer swaps out for a Stripe portal they're paying 3% and probably at least doubling their own profit margin. Only an idiot would still be selling apps through Apple's payments next week. The only way Apple will make any money at all on apps is if it drops it's fees to 10% or below.
- clhodapp 1y ago
  A fine is still necessary because (as per the original ruling), they should have never foisted their store on people seventeen years ago when they first launched it and certainly should not have done so when the court ordered them to stop four years ago. If there isn't a fine, the message will be that it's fine to profit off of ignoring court orders until you face thread of contempt charges.
  - simondotau 1y ago
    When Apple first launched the App Store, developers everywhere were praising Apple for offering such favourable terms.
    - clhodapp 1y ago
      If the terms were so great and the value to developers so high, it should definitely have been able to succeed in a competitive market, and need not have been forced on people.
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      I think most of the praise was because before the App Store, you quite literally could not install software on iOS. If the Mac worked the same way, people would absent-mindedly praise Apple for it too.
    - troupo 1y ago
      Because it was better than anything existing at the time (fees in the few existing stores were up to 70%). That was 18 years ago. The times, they are a-changing
- Gareth321 1y ago
  I look forward to Apple suddenly dropping fees and increasing R&D for the App Store when they face real competition.
- ZekeSulastin 1y ago
  Steam still exists on PC.
iamkonstantin 1y ago
The precedent is significant too. Remember the EU is currently reviewing Apple’s malicious compliance with the DMA, there are also regulators in other countries moving forward too.

Is there any hope of a non-joke fine here? Or are we just looking at another kiss of the wrists as them and Google and all the other big tech cos fuck literally everyone over?

semiquaver 1y ago

The important penalty isn’t a fine, it’s a forced change of behavior to comply with the injunction. The referral for criminal contempt charges will end up being a slap on the wrist if they are even charged though.

bpodgursky 1y ago
No this is actually going get Tim Cook's attention. Contempt can mean actual jail time for execs.

ocdtrekkie 1y ago

A fine isn't even necessary: Apple's App Store business just ended. Between app sales and IAP it has a 30% tax. If an app developer swaps out for a Stripe portal they're paying 3% and probably at least doubling their own profit margin. Only an idiot would still be selling apps through Apple's payments next week. The only way Apple will make any money at all on apps is if it drops it's fees to 10% or below.

clhodapp 1y ago
A fine is still necessary because (as per the original ruling), they should have never foisted their store on people seventeen years ago when they first launched it and certainly should not have done so when the court ordered them to stop four years ago. If there isn't a fine, the message will be that it's fine to profit off of ignoring court orders until you face thread of contempt charges.
- simondotau 1y ago
  When Apple first launched the App Store, developers everywhere were praising Apple for offering such favourable terms.
  - clhodapp 1y ago
    If the terms were so great and the value to developers so high, it should definitely have been able to succeed in a competitive market, and need not have been forced on people.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    I think most of the praise was because before the App Store, you quite literally could not install software on iOS. If the Mac worked the same way, people would absent-mindedly praise Apple for it too.
  - troupo 1y ago
    Because it was better than anything existing at the time (fees in the few existing stores were up to 70%). That was 18 years ago. The times, they are a-changing
Gareth321 1y ago
I look forward to Apple suddenly dropping fees and increasing R&D for the App Store when they face real competition.
ZekeSulastin 1y ago
Steam still exists on PC.

iamkonstantin 1y ago

The precedent is significant too. Remember the EU is currently reviewing Apple’s malicious compliance with the DMA, there are also regulators in other countries moving forward too.