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Why on startup? Windows startup is already so painfully slow, especially compared to Apple silicon machines, and adding Office to it would only compound this pr

Why on startup? Windows startup is already so painfully slow, especially compared to Apple silicon machines, and adding Office to it would only compound this problem. I think this problem can be avoided, while also still helping pre-load Office, if Windows just detects when resource utilization is low and loads Office in the background then.

ghurtado 1y ago
> Why on startup? Because Windows is usually a lot less optional than Office, for the average user.
zamadatix 1y ago
> When Startup Boost is active, the scheduled task will not run immediately at login to avoid slowing down your PC — it will wait 10 minutes to ensure the system is in a steady idle state. Additionally, Startup Boost will be disabled when Energy Saver mode is active. Startup Boost only runs if you have launched Word recently, and if you have not launched Word recently it will automatically disable itself. If you meet the hardware requirements threshold and recently have used Office then preloading it 10 minutes after login is extremely unlikely to impact your startup.
- theandrewbailey 1y ago
  That makes me wonder how many corporate office drones start an Office app within 10 minutes of logging in, because this feature would be useless for them.
- mr_toad 1y ago
  Is this just a fancy name for (re)starting the application in the background?
EGreg 1y ago
Windows Startup is slow, so Microsoft makes Windows start up silently in the background even when computer should be powered off. Oh btw every joke has a grain of truth (sigh) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712108
NoPicklez 1y ago
I disagree, my Windows machine loads into the OS quicker from login than my Mac.
- spicybright 1y ago
  I'm actually not sure why so many people are saying it's slow. For me login screen pops up maybe a few seconds from the bios, then everything is fully loaded after I enter my password.
  - michaelmrose 1y ago
    If you measured with a stop watch I'm sure it would take more than 2 seconds but to be accurate it is perceptibly brief whereas others startup is perceptibly to them slow. Why? When fast startup is enabled shutting down does a reboot and then a hibernate so that it can wake up from hibernate when you start up but with the same effect as a fresh start. This is generally much faster than a full startup. This should and in many cases must be disabled to dual boot another OS. Different hardware takes longer to initialize which may delay startup. This is especially true of failing hardware which may whilst in bad shape continue to work after a fashion but take far longer to initialize. Some hardware is MUCH slower than others.
    - spicybright 1y ago
      Oh, I didn't even know fastboot was a thing. That's pretty clever. Does it still need to be disabled if you're dualbooting and not interacting with the windows partition? And yeah, I have a desktop computer. I bet hardware failure rates are much higher in laptops. All good points.
      - michaelmrose 1y ago
        The answer is a definite maybe because some hardware will keep state when hibernated and will be unusable if this isn't disabled. For instance the WiFi won't work in the other OS. Also sooner or later you are going to need a file you received on windows or indeed on any fs mounted on windows. Best just disable the feature.
tgsovlerkhgsel 1y ago
I don't know what is different on your system, but my Windows startup experience is that it's blazing fast. Granted, that's on a gaming rig with a decent CPU and it's Windows 10, not 11, but I don't remember having to do any custom de-shittification and it boots way faster than Linux, short enough to not really perceive the boot process as an interruption.
- chneu 1y ago
  That's funny cuz my Linux boot up is so fast that multiple coworkers and even my girlfriend have commented on how much faster it is than their windows installs. Linux is blazing fast when configured properly. But in reality we're talking about 2-3 seconds of difference here. How long a machine takes to POST is usually the biggest part of bootup nowadays.
  - ykonstant 1y ago
    I have observed that; why is time to POST so high? Does anyone know?
  - indemnity 1y ago
    Love the AM5 memory training two minute POSTs that make you think you didn’t assemble it correctly!
  - cm2187 1y ago
    Out of the box ubuntu server boots super slowly, and with terrible defaults, like if a NIC is connected but not configured it will hang on boot.
herbst 1y ago
Recently needed windows for a single piece of software (I hate myself for it) and used a PC I had around (dell Wyse 5070) manjaro Linux Bootet in about 9 seconds. Windows 10 on the other hand takes nearly a minute to get to login and it hasn't stopped booting then, another 20 seconds or so after login it's not responsive. And only if it doesn't decide to update or do system repairs for 5 minutes, or more if it goes into one if it's restart update loops. It's not a little more, it literally killed at least an hour of productivity in just a few weeks (That's not counting the productivity killers once the system is running)

ghurtado 1y ago

> Why on startup? Because Windows is usually a lot less optional than Office, for the average user.

zamadatix 1y ago

> When Startup Boost is active, the scheduled task will not run immediately at login to avoid slowing down your PC — it will wait 10 minutes to ensure the system is in a steady idle state. Additionally, Startup Boost will be disabled when Energy Saver mode is active. Startup Boost only runs if you have launched Word recently, and if you have not launched Word recently it will automatically disable itself. If you meet the hardware requirements threshold and recently have used Office then preloading it 10 minutes after login is extremely unlikely to impact your startup.

theandrewbailey 1y ago
That makes me wonder how many corporate office drones start an Office app within 10 minutes of logging in, because this feature would be useless for them.
mr_toad 1y ago
Is this just a fancy name for (re)starting the application in the background?

EGreg 1y ago

Windows Startup is slow, so Microsoft makes Windows start up silently in the background even when computer should be powered off. Oh btw every joke has a grain of truth (sigh) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712108

NoPicklez 1y ago

I disagree, my Windows machine loads into the OS quicker from login than my Mac.

spicybright 1y ago
I'm actually not sure why so many people are saying it's slow. For me login screen pops up maybe a few seconds from the bios, then everything is fully loaded after I enter my password.
- michaelmrose 1y ago
  If you measured with a stop watch I'm sure it would take more than 2 seconds but to be accurate it is perceptibly brief whereas others startup is perceptibly to them slow. Why? When fast startup is enabled shutting down does a reboot and then a hibernate so that it can wake up from hibernate when you start up but with the same effect as a fresh start. This is generally much faster than a full startup. This should and in many cases must be disabled to dual boot another OS. Different hardware takes longer to initialize which may delay startup. This is especially true of failing hardware which may whilst in bad shape continue to work after a fashion but take far longer to initialize. Some hardware is MUCH slower than others.
  - spicybright 1y ago
    Oh, I didn't even know fastboot was a thing. That's pretty clever. Does it still need to be disabled if you're dualbooting and not interacting with the windows partition? And yeah, I have a desktop computer. I bet hardware failure rates are much higher in laptops. All good points.
    - michaelmrose 1y ago
      The answer is a definite maybe because some hardware will keep state when hibernated and will be unusable if this isn't disabled. For instance the WiFi won't work in the other OS. Also sooner or later you are going to need a file you received on windows or indeed on any fs mounted on windows. Best just disable the feature.

tgsovlerkhgsel 1y ago

I don't know what is different on your system, but my Windows startup experience is that it's blazing fast. Granted, that's on a gaming rig with a decent CPU and it's Windows 10, not 11, but I don't remember having to do any custom de-shittification and it boots way faster than Linux, short enough to not really perceive the boot process as an interruption.

chneu 1y ago
That's funny cuz my Linux boot up is so fast that multiple coworkers and even my girlfriend have commented on how much faster it is than their windows installs. Linux is blazing fast when configured properly. But in reality we're talking about 2-3 seconds of difference here. How long a machine takes to POST is usually the biggest part of bootup nowadays.
- ykonstant 1y ago
  I have observed that; why is time to POST so high? Does anyone know?
- indemnity 1y ago
  Love the AM5 memory training two minute POSTs that make you think you didn’t assemble it correctly!
- cm2187 1y ago
  Out of the box ubuntu server boots super slowly, and with terrible defaults, like if a NIC is connected but not configured it will hang on boot.

herbst 1y ago

Recently needed windows for a single piece of software (I hate myself for it) and used a PC I had around (dell Wyse 5070) manjaro Linux Bootet in about 9 seconds. Windows 10 on the other hand takes nearly a minute to get to login and it hasn't stopped booting then, another 20 seconds or so after login it's not responsive. And only if it doesn't decide to update or do system repairs for 5 minutes, or more if it goes into one if it's restart update loops. It's not a little more, it literally killed at least an hour of productivity in just a few weeks (That's not counting the productivity killers once the system is running)