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Slightly meta, when looking from outside, reading here feels like having your friends in the much-bigger-than-the-Titanic ship comment on it while the ship that

by dsign 1y ago

Slightly meta, when looking from outside, reading here feels like having your friends in the much-bigger-than-the-Titanic ship comment on it while the ship that was the emblem of the world sinks. The worst part of it is that every person outside of US watching this have a little demon sitting on their shoulder repeating, "They voted for him. A second time! You can't pity them." But I will say it anyway: stay strong.

gre 1y ago
I mean, he kind of stole the election. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/ https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
- sapiogram 1y ago
  Ah, good to know the other side is now throwing out voter fraud accusations as well.
  - pedroma 1y ago
    Did you forget the Russia collusion thing from 2016?
  - gre 1y ago
    I'm not on the democrats' side either. I am posting an article that states there was disenfranchisement on a scale large enough to tip the election. You can find other sources than just this article.
- laughingcurve 1y ago
  As someone who voted against Donald Trump... Saying that is just hardcore cope and not relevant to the thread / original post.
  - remich 1y ago
    Yeah I don't get why so many people are willing to believe conspiracy theories when the actual theory that many people in this country just have shit for brains is much more persuasive.
gnarlouse 1y ago
“They voted for him a second time” is a lapse in logic. There’s 1/2 of America that didn’t vote for him, the majority of which probably didn’t twice. If you’re not an American, you don’t get to use bad American logic. ;)
- dsign 1y ago
  :-) That's a very American way of thinking, believing that you have the monopoly on bad logic. My data shows that you only got the razor-thin trade surplus there in the last few years.
  - gnarlouse 1y ago
    "Not a monopoly, more of a controlling interest" - Sir Michael, Tenet
- Sammi 1y ago
  Here's the logic: You guys voted him in and committed to him a second time, ergo you are the ones that want this and you are the ones who are responsible for him. He's yours - a pure reflection of you guys. This is why the rest of the world don't trust you.
  - mikestew 1y ago
    That logic tells me you didn’t read the comment you’re replying to. I mean, I’m sure you read it, but how you walked away thinking your reply was apropos mystifies me.
    - Sammi 1y ago
      Quibbling isn't going to absolve you from responsibility of the leader you collectively and repeatedly selected. We see you.
  - FrontierProject 1y ago
    You must get along really well with your German friends.
ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
Unless you're watching this from the moon, your country is in a worse position than the US.
- georgeecollins 1y ago
  What if that turns out to be not true? China's trade with the US is not that big in $ terms and if they take an economic hit it will be unifying. The USA did this to them. Europe wasn't doing that well before, this jolt could be bad short term, but not that bad long term. And again, very unifying. After the Trump tariffs in the first term, US sales of Soy Beans to China never recovered. They switched to Brazil. What if the rest of the world just start buying fewer treasury bills (or paying less for the return) from now on? It is possible this could be worse for the USA than other developed countries.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm willing to take the bet the US comes out on top.
    - Sammi 1y ago
      Is your thought process really this empty? I worry for you guys. This is how cult members think - they defer to the great power who has promised to deliver for them even if they keep screwing them over. Trump is screwing you over and he's doing it publicly. He's selling meme coins and selling your government. He dismantling the US for his personal profit and you are cheering.
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        >Is your thought process really this empty? No but we are so far apart on foundational beliefs about the state of the country over the last 20ish years that it really isn't worthwhile for most of us to discuss this anymore. One side says we're saving the country, the other side thinks we're destroying it [another side thinks the first two sides are both crazy]. It's time to see who's right.
beloch 1y ago
It's not about pity so much as self-protection. Trump's second term has given the world a wake-up call. Although Trump will likely be gone in four years, the MAGA movement could be long-lived and always four years or less away from taking over again. Even if Trump backs down on tariff's and expansionism during his own term, trust in the U.S. as a military ally and economic partner won't be restored quickly or easily. What we're now seeing is world military alliances and the economy rewiring themselves, not to be subservient vassals of a hostile U.S., as Trump hopes, but to bypass the U.S.. If trade barriers around the U.S. are going to come and go in an unpredictable manner, then business will respond by building outside of that uncertainty. Manufacture of some low-end products may be onshored to the U.S., but only to meet domestic U.S. demand if and where that is high enough. It doesn't make sense to move manufacturing inside a region with unpredictable trade barriers if it's going to serve a global market. Take a look at the election results in Canada. What was expected to be an easy majority win for the Conservatives just a few months ago came out as near-majority for the Liberals. Both parties campaigned on anti-Trump measures that include increasing East-West trade/infrastructure within Canada, diversification of the economy to rely more on Asian and European markets, and reduced spending on defence products from the U.S.. This is long-term policy that will make Canada less vulnerable to future MAGA'ruptions, even long after Trump is gone. Trump could do a 180 tomorrow, but the impact of what he's already done will last for decades at the very least.
- vkou 1y ago
  Trust enters on foot, and departs on horseback.

by dsign 1y ago

gre 1y ago

I mean, he kind of stole the election. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/ https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

sapiogram 1y ago
Ah, good to know the other side is now throwing out voter fraud accusations as well.
- pedroma 1y ago
  Did you forget the Russia collusion thing from 2016?
- gre 1y ago
  I'm not on the democrats' side either. I am posting an article that states there was disenfranchisement on a scale large enough to tip the election. You can find other sources than just this article.
laughingcurve 1y ago
As someone who voted against Donald Trump... Saying that is just hardcore cope and not relevant to the thread / original post.
- remich 1y ago
  Yeah I don't get why so many people are willing to believe conspiracy theories when the actual theory that many people in this country just have shit for brains is much more persuasive.

gnarlouse 1y ago

“They voted for him a second time” is a lapse in logic. There’s 1/2 of America that didn’t vote for him, the majority of which probably didn’t twice. If you’re not an American, you don’t get to use bad American logic. ;)

dsign 1y ago
:-) That's a very American way of thinking, believing that you have the monopoly on bad logic. My data shows that you only got the razor-thin trade surplus there in the last few years.
- gnarlouse 1y ago
  "Not a monopoly, more of a controlling interest" - Sir Michael, Tenet
Sammi 1y ago
Here's the logic: You guys voted him in and committed to him a second time, ergo you are the ones that want this and you are the ones who are responsible for him. He's yours - a pure reflection of you guys. This is why the rest of the world don't trust you.
- mikestew 1y ago
  That logic tells me you didn’t read the comment you’re replying to. I mean, I’m sure you read it, but how you walked away thinking your reply was apropos mystifies me.
  - Sammi 1y ago
    Quibbling isn't going to absolve you from responsibility of the leader you collectively and repeatedly selected. We see you.
- FrontierProject 1y ago
  You must get along really well with your German friends.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

Unless you're watching this from the moon, your country is in a worse position than the US.

georgeecollins 1y ago
What if that turns out to be not true? China's trade with the US is not that big in $ terms and if they take an economic hit it will be unifying. The USA did this to them. Europe wasn't doing that well before, this jolt could be bad short term, but not that bad long term. And again, very unifying. After the Trump tariffs in the first term, US sales of Soy Beans to China never recovered. They switched to Brazil. What if the rest of the world just start buying fewer treasury bills (or paying less for the return) from now on? It is possible this could be worse for the USA than other developed countries.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm willing to take the bet the US comes out on top.
  - Sammi 1y ago
    Is your thought process really this empty? I worry for you guys. This is how cult members think - they defer to the great power who has promised to deliver for them even if they keep screwing them over. Trump is screwing you over and he's doing it publicly. He's selling meme coins and selling your government. He dismantling the US for his personal profit and you are cheering.
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      >Is your thought process really this empty? No but we are so far apart on foundational beliefs about the state of the country over the last 20ish years that it really isn't worthwhile for most of us to discuss this anymore. One side says we're saving the country, the other side thinks we're destroying it [another side thinks the first two sides are both crazy]. It's time to see who's right.

beloch 1y ago

It's not about pity so much as self-protection. Trump's second term has given the world a wake-up call. Although Trump will likely be gone in four years, the MAGA movement could be long-lived and always four years or less away from taking over again. Even if Trump backs down on tariff's and expansionism during his own term, trust in the U.S. as a military ally and economic partner won't be restored quickly or easily. What we're now seeing is world military alliances and the economy rewiring themselves, not to be subservient vassals of a hostile U.S., as Trump hopes, but to bypass the U.S.. If trade barriers around the U.S. are going to come and go in an unpredictable manner, then business will respond by building outside of that uncertainty. Manufacture of some low-end products may be onshored to the U.S., but only to meet domestic U.S. demand if and where that is high enough. It doesn't make sense to move manufacturing inside a region with unpredictable trade barriers if it's going to serve a global market. Take a look at the election results in Canada. What was expected to be an easy majority win for the Conservatives just a few months ago came out as near-majority for the Liberals. Both parties campaigned on anti-Trump measures that include increasing East-West trade/infrastructure within Canada, diversification of the economy to rely more on Asian and European markets, and reduced spending on defence products from the U.S.. This is long-term policy that will make Canada less vulnerable to future MAGA'ruptions, even long after Trump is gone. Trump could do a 180 tomorrow, but the impact of what he's already done will last for decades at the very least.

vkou 1y ago
Trust enters on foot, and departs on horseback.