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This is crony capitalism.

by joshdavham 1y ago

throwaway48476 1y ago
It is but it always has been. I would also appreciate if the big 3 American car companies had 85% American content.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > would also appreciate if the big 3 American car companies had 85% American content Versus 80%? Those five percentage points are worth a double-digit tariff.
  - throwaway48476 1y ago
    5 percentage points should be easy enough for them to change then by moving a few supply chains.
    - kasey_junk 1y ago
      So make it 90% and don’t give Tesla the special treatment.
      - moralestapia 1y ago
        [flagged]
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Then the exact same discussion will come up with a different number No? The point is there is no reason for the number 85 other than benefiting Tesla. The metacognitive question should be how one should estimate that variable in a way which balances disruption with incentivising the desired outcome.
        moralestapia 1y ago
        Explain how the number 90 would be different than the number 85? Provide source for any claims you make.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Explain how the number 90 would be different than the number 85? Qualitatively? Tesla wouldn’t qualify. Practically? It isn’t. The same way there isn’t a difference between 85 and 80 other than keeping out Ford. There is no methodology presented for how 85 was estimated. There probably wasn’t one, given the track record with the tariff rates.
        moralestapia 1y ago
        You got it!
    - jrflowers 1y ago
      Your answer to the question “Is the 5% between 80 and 85% worth a double-digit tariff?” here is “Yes. A double digit tariff on a car that is 80% made in America makes sense.” Right?
  - metalman 1y ago
    and then there is the other side of the 14.9% coin, which will be fought over by Canada(read ontario), Mexico, China, and the rest when it comes parts and cars made in Canada and Mexico, that is going to be tricky, as both countrys have historicaly bought a lot of US cars and other stuff, but will now be in no possition to also play along with the anti china stance in the US and tarrifs, and all the other issues at the borders.......geoplotical has more meaning now.
qwerpy 1y ago
What should we call it when the other side does things in the opposite direction? https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legislature-considers-new-tax-aimed-at-elon-musks-tesla/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl... Punitive legislation? Lawfare? Crony capitalism but for the other companies?
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Do you have evidence Ford and GM bribed their way to getting that law passed
jfyi 1y ago
It blatantly is, and the responses to you pointing that out are insane. Deflection, whataboutism, sealioning with a side of demanding sources for what is essentially the use of a greater than sign.

This is crony capitalism.

throwaway48476 1y ago

It is but it always has been. I would also appreciate if the big 3 American car companies had 85% American content.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> would also appreciate if the big 3 American car companies had 85% American content Versus 80%? Those five percentage points are worth a double-digit tariff.
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  5 percentage points should be easy enough for them to change then by moving a few supply chains.
  - kasey_junk 1y ago
    So make it 90% and don’t give Tesla the special treatment.
    - moralestapia 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Then the exact same discussion will come up with a different number No? The point is there is no reason for the number 85 other than benefiting Tesla. The metacognitive question should be how one should estimate that variable in a way which balances disruption with incentivising the desired outcome.
        moralestapia 1y ago
        Explain how the number 90 would be different than the number 85? Provide source for any claims you make.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Explain how the number 90 would be different than the number 85? Qualitatively? Tesla wouldn’t qualify. Practically? It isn’t. The same way there isn’t a difference between 85 and 80 other than keeping out Ford. There is no methodology presented for how 85 was estimated. There probably wasn’t one, given the track record with the tariff rates.
        moralestapia 1y ago
        You got it!
  - jrflowers 1y ago
    Your answer to the question “Is the 5% between 80 and 85% worth a double-digit tariff?” here is “Yes. A double digit tariff on a car that is 80% made in America makes sense.” Right?
- metalman 1y ago
  and then there is the other side of the 14.9% coin, which will be fought over by Canada(read ontario), Mexico, China, and the rest when it comes parts and cars made in Canada and Mexico, that is going to be tricky, as both countrys have historicaly bought a lot of US cars and other stuff, but will now be in no possition to also play along with the anti china stance in the US and tarrifs, and all the other issues at the borders.......geoplotical has more meaning now.

qwerpy 1y ago

What should we call it when the other side does things in the opposite direction? https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legislature-considers-new-tax-aimed-at-elon-musks-tesla/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wa-legisl... Punitive legislation? Lawfare? Crony capitalism but for the other companies?

queenkjuul 1y ago
Do you have evidence Ford and GM bribed their way to getting that law passed

jfyi 1y ago

It blatantly is, and the responses to you pointing that out are insane. Deflection, whataboutism, sealioning with a side of demanding sources for what is essentially the use of a greater than sign.