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> "elon is wrong about {X}" People are (very) slowly waking up. The number of X-es is large to say the least.

by axegon_ 1y ago

ilrwbwrkhv 1y ago
yeah this can be simplified to just elon is wrong and that covers the majority
- matwood 1y ago
  ...or is lying covers most of what he says.
  - spwa4 1y ago
    He's a plagiarist, a fraud: he claims other's work as his own, and that goes from extremely petty to very large lies. From Fraudulently claiming he's good at "Path Of Exile" to him being Tesla's designer, to him having designed the SpaceX rocket engines. In all cases research has found: he's lying. He has essentially no technical contributions, not even to his original firm, X (the bank). Him claiming otherwise makes him a fraud, and a plagiarist.
M3L0NM4N 1y ago
As one of Elon's ex-fan's (or at least had a generally positive opinion of him) like I suspect many of us here once were, it is astonishing how consistently wrong and ignorant he has been, and it has gotten worse year over year. I think there is a legitimate possibility he fried/is frying his brain on Ketamine.
- dist-epoch 1y ago
  Yet his net worth and political power keep growing (yes, I know about the TSLA stock price). I wish I had a fried brain like his...
- alkonaut 1y ago
  There are numerous examples of people who appear to be intelligent, witty. Maybe they hid their darker sides (be it some authoritarian, populist, racist or otherwise objectively bad tendency). But they did hide them. But then something seems to change and they quite quickly descend into being very unlikeable. And it's not just always "ideas". It seems to permeate their entire being. The transformation includes going from being "likeable" in a broad sense, to very abrasive personalities even when you factor out their views. It's really scary and depressing. We only notice this in some really high profile cases (Musk, Notch, a few politicians...), but I'm sure there are thousands of less visible people who have done this transformation without anyone noticing but their close friends and family. While I might sound like RFK Jr: I'd really like for someone to go to the bottom of what causes it.
  - mariusor 1y ago
    > We only notice this in some really high profile cases (Musk, Notch, a few politicians...) I attribute this to the amplification effect of social media has on the output from these famous people. But at the same time I blame their slide into madness on social media because for both Notch and Musk (and I would also add JK Rowling to this list) it all started with disproportionate amount of genuine hate from well meaning individuals for stating opinions slightly outside the Overton window. I think the "twitter mob" is frankly more to blame than the people themselves, because without it, all three of them would still censor their public outbursts more than they do now after the dams of hate against them have already broken and there's no lower depths they can sink to. That's why I think it's important to be polite even to the assholes.
- butlike 1y ago
  Does he ACTUALLY take ketamine or is he more on the spectrum anyone will admit?
- rsynnott 1y ago
  As someone who's never been an Elon fan, nah, he's been fairly consistently confused about basically everything for as long as he's been a public figure, but his fans were willing to turn a blind eye to a certain point, because they found his stuff aesthetically appealing.
  - Gud 1y ago
    Not at all. I’ve been following Elon for a long, long time. Since he was the PayPal guy who was going to blow his fortune buying Russian rockets. He was absolutely 100% focused on his ventures back then. His political awakening has been slowly happening over the last 10 years, at least his public persona. There was no “turning a blind eye” when I invested in Tesla when the Dragon capsule first docked with the ISS, in 2012. I figured if this intelligent person can revolutionise the space industry, he can do the same with the car industry. He has absolutely changed.
    - rsynnott 1y ago
      > when I invested in Tesla when the Dragon capsule first docked with the ISS, in 2012 This is what I mean! You invested in a company that made heavy consumer goods because he did a space thing! These are totally unrelated! You liked his aesthetics! 12 years previously to that, well, there was this nonsense: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-arm-wrestle-paypal-partner-settle-software-argument-book-2023-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-arm-wrestle-paypal... Like, I'm sorry, you can't tell me that's a sensible way to do software engineering.
      - Gud 1y ago
        No, I didn’t like “his aesthetics “. I saw a person capable of doing extraordinary things. He didn’t do “a space thing”. He succeeded in revolutionizing the space industry. FWIW I also invested in BYD around the same time.
      - M3L0NM4N 1y ago
        It is funny to compare things of the magnitude of "arm wrestle to win an argument over an operating system" to the defamatory personal smears, political conspiracy theory peddling, and general stupid and crybaby behavior.
reverendsteveii 1y ago
The billionaire cult is slowly dismantling itself. I came to adulthood in the early 2000s and I remember the presumption basically being that they must be very smart because they're very rich and if they're very smart about the thing that made them very rich then they must be very smart about everything else as well. There are cases where that has borne out. It's hard to argue that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos aren't shrewd businesspeople who know how to use the levers of power to get what they want. But as a counterargument against that is Elon Musk, supposedly based on the mythos of the capitalist meritocracy the greatest among us (because, if not, how could he have become the richest?) who has revealed himself to be cruel, petty, awkward, desperate and has very publicly mismanaged several companies to the point of being sued by shareholders who've found his behavior to be so detrimental to the value of their holdings that it's inseparable from malice. A lot of people are realizing that it's a crap shoot. Being smart is certainly an advantage, but it's one of many and being rich or having access to powerful people seem to be just as influential. One of the most revealing things about Musk came from Walter Isaacson's biography on him. According to the book, Musk once joined a poker game at a table full of card sharps, odds savants and the kind of people you expect would play a lot of poker and would also eat alive anyone who wasn't on their level. He bulldozed them. His strategy? Bet everything he has on every hand and, when he loses, just buy more chips. Isaacson seems to think this proves Musk to be an outside-the-box-thinking risk-taker but there's another, less generous interpretation: capitalism tends to elevate those who have enough resources that they can get their asses kicked 10 times and still come back for an 11th, but the odds are against you if you're playing with all you have no matter how gifted a player you actually are.
kgwxd 1y ago
He spent a ton of money just to be able to present all those X-es and force people to see them. Even bought the domain explicitly for it.
bamboozled 1y ago
Seems a bit late, the fox is running the chicken coop now.

> "elon is wrong about {X}" People are (very) slowly waking up. The number of X-es is large to say the least.

ilrwbwrkhv 1y ago

yeah this can be simplified to just elon is wrong and that covers the majority

matwood 1y ago
...or is lying covers most of what he says.
- spwa4 1y ago
  He's a plagiarist, a fraud: he claims other's work as his own, and that goes from extremely petty to very large lies. From Fraudulently claiming he's good at "Path Of Exile" to him being Tesla's designer, to him having designed the SpaceX rocket engines. In all cases research has found: he's lying. He has essentially no technical contributions, not even to his original firm, X (the bank). Him claiming otherwise makes him a fraud, and a plagiarist.

M3L0NM4N 1y ago

As one of Elon's ex-fan's (or at least had a generally positive opinion of him) like I suspect many of us here once were, it is astonishing how consistently wrong and ignorant he has been, and it has gotten worse year over year. I think there is a legitimate possibility he fried/is frying his brain on Ketamine.

dist-epoch 1y ago
Yet his net worth and political power keep growing (yes, I know about the TSLA stock price). I wish I had a fried brain like his...
alkonaut 1y ago
There are numerous examples of people who appear to be intelligent, witty. Maybe they hid their darker sides (be it some authoritarian, populist, racist or otherwise objectively bad tendency). But they did hide them. But then something seems to change and they quite quickly descend into being very unlikeable. And it's not just always "ideas". It seems to permeate their entire being. The transformation includes going from being "likeable" in a broad sense, to very abrasive personalities even when you factor out their views. It's really scary and depressing. We only notice this in some really high profile cases (Musk, Notch, a few politicians...), but I'm sure there are thousands of less visible people who have done this transformation without anyone noticing but their close friends and family. While I might sound like RFK Jr: I'd really like for someone to go to the bottom of what causes it.
- mariusor 1y ago
  > We only notice this in some really high profile cases (Musk, Notch, a few politicians...) I attribute this to the amplification effect of social media has on the output from these famous people. But at the same time I blame their slide into madness on social media because for both Notch and Musk (and I would also add JK Rowling to this list) it all started with disproportionate amount of genuine hate from well meaning individuals for stating opinions slightly outside the Overton window. I think the "twitter mob" is frankly more to blame than the people themselves, because without it, all three of them would still censor their public outbursts more than they do now after the dams of hate against them have already broken and there's no lower depths they can sink to. That's why I think it's important to be polite even to the assholes.
butlike 1y ago
Does he ACTUALLY take ketamine or is he more on the spectrum anyone will admit?
rsynnott 1y ago
As someone who's never been an Elon fan, nah, he's been fairly consistently confused about basically everything for as long as he's been a public figure, but his fans were willing to turn a blind eye to a certain point, because they found his stuff aesthetically appealing.
- Gud 1y ago
  Not at all. I’ve been following Elon for a long, long time. Since he was the PayPal guy who was going to blow his fortune buying Russian rockets. He was absolutely 100% focused on his ventures back then. His political awakening has been slowly happening over the last 10 years, at least his public persona. There was no “turning a blind eye” when I invested in Tesla when the Dragon capsule first docked with the ISS, in 2012. I figured if this intelligent person can revolutionise the space industry, he can do the same with the car industry. He has absolutely changed.
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    > when I invested in Tesla when the Dragon capsule first docked with the ISS, in 2012 This is what I mean! You invested in a company that made heavy consumer goods because he did a space thing! These are totally unrelated! You liked his aesthetics! 12 years previously to that, well, there was this nonsense: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-arm-wrestle-paypal-partner-settle-software-argument-book-2023-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-arm-wrestle-paypal... Like, I'm sorry, you can't tell me that's a sensible way to do software engineering.
    - Gud 1y ago
      No, I didn’t like “his aesthetics “. I saw a person capable of doing extraordinary things. He didn’t do “a space thing”. He succeeded in revolutionizing the space industry. FWIW I also invested in BYD around the same time.
    - M3L0NM4N 1y ago
      It is funny to compare things of the magnitude of "arm wrestle to win an argument over an operating system" to the defamatory personal smears, political conspiracy theory peddling, and general stupid and crybaby behavior.

reverendsteveii 1y ago

The billionaire cult is slowly dismantling itself. I came to adulthood in the early 2000s and I remember the presumption basically being that they must be very smart because they're very rich and if they're very smart about the thing that made them very rich then they must be very smart about everything else as well. There are cases where that has borne out. It's hard to argue that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos aren't shrewd businesspeople who know how to use the levers of power to get what they want. But as a counterargument against that is Elon Musk, supposedly based on the mythos of the capitalist meritocracy the greatest among us (because, if not, how could he have become the richest?) who has revealed himself to be cruel, petty, awkward, desperate and has very publicly mismanaged several companies to the point of being sued by shareholders who've found his behavior to be so detrimental to the value of their holdings that it's inseparable from malice. A lot of people are realizing that it's a crap shoot. Being smart is certainly an advantage, but it's one of many and being rich or having access to powerful people seem to be just as influential. One of the most revealing things about Musk came from Walter Isaacson's biography on him. According to the book, Musk once joined a poker game at a table full of card sharps, odds savants and the kind of people you expect would play a lot of poker and would also eat alive anyone who wasn't on their level. He bulldozed them. His strategy? Bet everything he has on every hand and, when he loses, just buy more chips. Isaacson seems to think this proves Musk to be an outside-the-box-thinking risk-taker but there's another, less generous interpretation: capitalism tends to elevate those who have enough resources that they can get their asses kicked 10 times and still come back for an 11th, but the odds are against you if you're playing with all you have no matter how gifted a player you actually are.

kgwxd 1y ago

He spent a ton of money just to be able to present all those X-es and force people to see them. Even bought the domain explicitly for it.

bamboozled 1y ago

Seems a bit late, the fox is running the chicken coop now.