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I'm not a huge fan of Ruby, but even if you admit that Rails is superior to Django, it would be a hard sell to invest in Ruby ecosystem instead of Python I'm d

by mrits 1y ago

I'm not a huge fan of Ruby, but even if you admit that Rails is superior to Django, it would be a hard sell to invest in Ruby ecosystem instead of Python I'm doing something similar to OP with Django right now

dismalaf 1y ago
> , it would be a hard sell to invest in Ruby ecosystem instead of Python Why? The Ruby ecosystem is great, as good as ever. What do you think it's missing?
- chipsrafferty 1y ago
  It's not "cool"
  - hnarayanan 1y ago
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    - dismalaf 1y ago
      Ruby has AI libraries. Also a reminder that all the heavy lifting in the AI ecosystem is done by C++ libraries, and Ruby has a great FFI for interfacing with C++. Also most app makers are just interfacing with web APIs anyway. Either way, you're covered.
    - psadauskas 1y ago
      > This past week at RubyKaigi in Ehime, Yukihiro "Matz" Matsumoto, the creator of the Ruby programming language, gave a presentation on “Programming Language for AI Age”. In the keynote presentation, he discussed how Ruby can dominate in the AI age, due to its conciseness, expressiveness, and extensible nature with DSLs. The talk isn't available online yet, but I'm excited to see what he has to say.
- pphysch 1y ago
  Mass adoption in domains beyond just backend webdev. Python is increasingly the lingua franca of data. Ruby ecosystem is great, but it's not Python great.
  - nonethewiser 1y ago
    But what if you're looking for a backend for webdev? Which seems to be the case if we're comparing Rails and Django.
  - skeeter2020 1y ago
    Every Python developer is now an "AI developer" and I can't find a bog-standard python BE dev without paying the AI tax. Having a sizeable but out of vague market of Ruby (or .NET) devs right now at a significant comparable discount is a nice treat.
    - pphysch 1y ago
      Have you tried posting specifically for Django/FastAPI developers? I have personally seen many such postings. Ruby ≈ Rails Python >> Django
    - graemep 1y ago
      I am a Python and Django developer and I do not even want to do "AI". I prefer to do what I have lots of experience of and know I am good at. I cannot be the only one.
  - turboladen 1y ago
    Each to their own of course, and not arguing that the Ruby ecosystem is amazing (although I thought so in 2008), with Python’s eleventy different package managers, I wouldn’t call the ecosystem great. It’s one of the main reasons I get bummed out having to use the language. Sure there’s lots of work going on to improve that, but it’s still smattered all over the place.

by mrits 1y ago

dismalaf 1y ago

> , it would be a hard sell to invest in Ruby ecosystem instead of Python Why? The Ruby ecosystem is great, as good as ever. What do you think it's missing?

chipsrafferty 1y ago
It's not "cool"
- hnarayanan 1y ago
  A I
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    Ruby has AI libraries. Also a reminder that all the heavy lifting in the AI ecosystem is done by C++ libraries, and Ruby has a great FFI for interfacing with C++. Also most app makers are just interfacing with web APIs anyway. Either way, you're covered.
  - psadauskas 1y ago
    > This past week at RubyKaigi in Ehime, Yukihiro "Matz" Matsumoto, the creator of the Ruby programming language, gave a presentation on “Programming Language for AI Age”. In the keynote presentation, he discussed how Ruby can dominate in the AI age, due to its conciseness, expressiveness, and extensible nature with DSLs. The talk isn't available online yet, but I'm excited to see what he has to say.
pphysch 1y ago
Mass adoption in domains beyond just backend webdev. Python is increasingly the lingua franca of data. Ruby ecosystem is great, but it's not Python great.
- nonethewiser 1y ago
  But what if you're looking for a backend for webdev? Which seems to be the case if we're comparing Rails and Django.
- skeeter2020 1y ago
  Every Python developer is now an "AI developer" and I can't find a bog-standard python BE dev without paying the AI tax. Having a sizeable but out of vague market of Ruby (or .NET) devs right now at a significant comparable discount is a nice treat.
  - pphysch 1y ago
    Have you tried posting specifically for Django/FastAPI developers? I have personally seen many such postings. Ruby ≈ Rails Python >> Django
  - graemep 1y ago
    I am a Python and Django developer and I do not even want to do "AI". I prefer to do what I have lots of experience of and know I am good at. I cannot be the only one.
- turboladen 1y ago
  Each to their own of course, and not arguing that the Ruby ecosystem is amazing (although I thought so in 2008), with Python’s eleventy different package managers, I wouldn’t call the ecosystem great. It’s one of the main reasons I get bummed out having to use the language. Sure there’s lots of work going on to improve that, but it’s still smattered all over the place.