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lifestyleguru 2y ago
During COVID face masks were enough. Fine speculators earner low hundreds trading them, politicians made frauds worth millions, anyone could pick on any stranger not wearing or wearing them incorrectly, law enforcement could impose the most ridiculous fines. It's so trivial to make people yap at each other.
- EdwardDiego 2y ago
  Not wearing one implied a lack of care for others in your society. Wearing them imposed minimal burden, so why are you surprised when you signal that you don't care about others in your society, that they responded in kind?
  - ttoinou 2y ago
    You’re basically admitting you are one sided on this topic and couldn’t understand why this was the perfect tool to divide and conquer people
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      Have you considered that perhaps they understood exactly that, and maybe better than you?
      - ttoinou 2y ago
        What clue makes you think that ?
        saagarjha 2y ago
        What better tool is there to divide and control people than something basically inconsequential that someone is willing to get worked up over?
        ttoinou 2y ago
        Not wearing one implied a lack of care for others in your society. Is a belief held only by one side
        saagarjha 2y ago
        I think the same applies to "I don't want to wear a mask", no?
- pbhjpbhj 2y ago
  Except masks were a societal necessity to prevent further spread of an airborne pathogen - people not wearing masks were choosing to put their neighbours at risk of death. I'm not sure what a "fine speculator" is? In the UK the Tory ruling party used mask supply, and it seems other contract-based fraud (Covid website, at least), to steal £Billions from the Exchequer.
  - lifestyleguru 2y ago
    As in fine grained, individual. There were no bulk packages larger then maybe ten pieces. Everything larger was immediately split and sold with profit in small shops, open air markets, on gumtree/ebay/craigslist or some other local clone website.

lifestyleguru 2y ago

During COVID face masks were enough. Fine speculators earner low hundreds trading them, politicians made frauds worth millions, anyone could pick on any stranger not wearing or wearing them incorrectly, law enforcement could impose the most ridiculous fines. It's so trivial to make people yap at each other.

EdwardDiego 2y ago
Not wearing one implied a lack of care for others in your society. Wearing them imposed minimal burden, so why are you surprised when you signal that you don't care about others in your society, that they responded in kind?
- ttoinou 2y ago
  You’re basically admitting you are one sided on this topic and couldn’t understand why this was the perfect tool to divide and conquer people
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    Have you considered that perhaps they understood exactly that, and maybe better than you?
    - ttoinou 2y ago
      What clue makes you think that ?
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        What better tool is there to divide and control people than something basically inconsequential that someone is willing to get worked up over?
        ttoinou 2y ago
        Not wearing one implied a lack of care for others in your society. Is a belief held only by one side
        saagarjha 2y ago
        I think the same applies to "I don't want to wear a mask", no?
pbhjpbhj 2y ago
Except masks were a societal necessity to prevent further spread of an airborne pathogen - people not wearing masks were choosing to put their neighbours at risk of death. I'm not sure what a "fine speculator" is? In the UK the Tory ruling party used mask supply, and it seems other contract-based fraud (Covid website, at least), to steal £Billions from the Exchequer.
- lifestyleguru 2y ago
  As in fine grained, individual. There were no bulk packages larger then maybe ten pieces. Everything larger was immediately split and sold with profit in small shops, open air markets, on gumtree/ebay/craigslist or some other local clone website.