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Speeding kills much more people than guns. It also kills much more innocent outsiders (a lot of gun death are suicides or gang infightings). It also introduces
by bluecalm 2y ago
Speeding kills much more people than guns. It also kills much more innocent outsiders (a lot of gun death are suicides or gang infightings).
It also introduces atmosphere of terror on public roads making walking or cycling dangerous. It's a way bigger problem than guns.
- branko_d 2y agoGun deaths: 46,000 Car deaths: 40,901 Gun utility: small Car utility: large (data from CDC and NHTSA for 2023)
- digianarchist 2y agoI feel like intentional self-inflicted gunshot deaths should be removed. Not to say you still aren’t correct.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoIf you want to make a fair comparison, then one-sided car accidents should be removed too.
- cutemonster 2y agoNo, they're not intentional, they're accidents. And can be reduced by traffic laws and speed limits. Suicides (that is, guns) are intentional.
- digianarchist 2y agoExactly. People rarely purposely kill themselves in their cars.
- shpongled 2y agoMost car "accidents" are intentional - drivers are choosing to speed (35%), drive intoxicated (30%), or scroll tiktok (15%) rather than pay attention to the road.
- cutemonster 2y agoInteresting, all those things could be prevented using modern tech? Eg eye tracking (Not abruptly stopping the car because looking at TikTok, but ... Fines? Limiting speed? Withdrawn license, if repeated?) And building more railways, subways! Also creates jobs. Edit: From where did you get the numbers? I googled for "solo car crash reason statistics", and sleepiness seemed to be one main reason (too?)
- shpongled 1y agoI just googled "car fatalities [alcohol/distracted]" etc, and found either NHTSA or California statistics. All of them could be prevented using modern tech, but considering that we can't even get speed cameras socially/legally accepted I don't see it happening. We just don't have a culture of caring about this stuff in the US, despite >40,000 people dying each year due to traffic fatalities. [1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving [2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/speeding [3] https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/distracted-driving https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/distracted-driving
- admissionsguy 2y ago> Gun utility: small For you.
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- anon_e-moose 2y agoConsidering the whole world, gun utility for the civilian population is clearly much smaller than car utility. You will also find even in US a higher number of individuals that have at least one car VS number of individuals that have at least one gun. Sure the reverse might be true for a minority, but the majority scenario is out there with plenty of statistical and empirical evidence. I'm neither pro nor anti-gun, just stating facts.
- bluecalm 2y agoYeah but it's about utility of cars but speeding in cars.
- admissionsguy 2y agoI am not comparing the relative utility of cars and guns, but questioning the claim that the utility of gun ownership is small.
- vel0city 2y agoIf you're not in a warzone or deep in a jungle needing to fend of jaguars the utility of a gun is likely extremely small.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoAssuming you have high utility for guns, what do you use it for? Hunting? I'm no hunter and have never felt like I need a gun.
- peepeepoopoo114 2y ago
- bluecalm 2y agoI was wrong about absolute numbers, still if you subtract suicides and gang infightings reckless driving kills and hurts way more people. >>Gun utility: small Car utility: large It's not about cars but speeding in cars. You can eliminate one without the other. This is not the case with guns. Utility of speeding is negative even if you never kill anyone.
- branko_d 1y ago> It's not about cars but speeding in cars. That's like saying "it's not about guns but killing by guns". If we could only identify those pesky people that will kill with their guns before they do it, we could solve our problem! Just as if we could separate out only the drivers that will crash before they actually do it. Alas, while you can probably speed many times without serious consequences, shooting someone without serious consequences is far rarer! This means we at least have a chance to catch the repeated speeders before they do irreparable harm, but we rarely have the same luxury with shooters.
- bluecalm 1y agoIt's not like that because it's very easy to prevent cars from speeding. It's just matter of political will. With guns the only way to prevent most of gun violence of to take the guns away.
- tonyedgecombe 2y ago>a lot of gun death are suicides or gang infightings Oh, that's OK then, they clearly don't matter.
- porridgeraisin 2y agoYes, a gang member's life matters 10^large times less than that of a regular guy walking down the street. Then, guns aren't the cause of suicides and it's disingenous to count those as gun deaths. To be clear, I'm not for gun rights and live in a place where they don't exist.
- timeon 2y ago> or gang infightings Gangs have easy access to guns when everyone does.
- whywhywhywhy 2y agoThey also do when everyone doesn’t.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoNot really. When guns are illegal they're harder to get even on black markets. Gangs usually resort to the next most powerful weapon like knives.
- const_cast 2y agoNot true. Every illegal firearm was produced legally and sold legally. Making guns is very hard. The only way to get them is from people who actually make firearms. If they don't exist, then you can't get guns, no matter how gangster or organized you are. I mean, it's not like the Mafia is making fucking factories to produce steel firearms.