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Intel Removed All CPU information pages before 2nd generation processors

79 points by tart-lemonade 1y ago

tart-lemonade 1y ago
Full title: Intel Removed All CPU information pages before 2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors I don't get why they did this, Ark is such a great resource. If there is any cost to keeping the data usable, surely it can't be that much worse for ultra-legacy products that it only makes sense to keep around "newer" (and I use that term very generously) products.
- altairprime 1y ago
  They probably laid off whoever championed for Ark when it came up at meetings, and then later shut it down and redirected it when it came up in a requests/month report.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  But but Intel is sooo open source friendly. Turns out like every corporation, they have both sides.
  - bslanej 1y ago
    What does open source have to do with this?
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      This is the kind of information projects need when doing FOSS operating systems and compilers?
      - bslanej 1y ago
        That’s a really long stretch there.
      - tester756 1y ago
        Who, when creating new OSes focuses on really old, consumer, nothing unusual hardware? Second, for compilers you have projects like LLVM that's like a framework for building compilers where those companies like Intel, AMD, Samsung, etc contribute.
        pjmlp 1y ago
        Not everyone has the opportunity to only have new computers, especially in many third world countries. LLVM shouldn't turn into compiler monoculture.
- fuzzfactor 1y ago
  Pure focused cruelty, or complete incompetence. You know they've got at least 10x the server cost being wasted by old emails and stuff like that which could be more sensibly purged instead of customer reference documents. Perhaps it's an anti-recycling effort against those who would otherwise keep running these old processors which once played a respectable key part in Intel's progress. After digital files first became available for electronic components, there has never been any good excuse for them to go out-of-print after that.
  - imtringued 1y ago
    It's incompetence because Intel should have learned from the Itanium days that their core value proposition is backwards compatibility. There is no logical reason to erase your history of success.
- mappu 1y ago
  A charitable explanation could be - they intend to reuse the numbering scheme and don't want confusion in search results
  - tester756 1y ago
    That's the most reasonable and most likely the reason If it isn't just some error
    - MisterTea 1y ago
      That doesn't make sense unless they're going to release a "Core 2 Duo 8400" at some point. Maybe the i5 750 but I suspect they could have added a generational notice to the ark page and be done with it.
      - hnuser123456 1y ago
        There wouldn't be a clash because they're on "Core Ultra" now.
wahern 1y ago
> I hope internet archive have back up of this Even if they had backups[1], that doesn't necessarily mean they'll remain publicly accessible. I learned that the hard way many years ago when my first university Unix account web pages from the 1990s were made inaccessible, effectively permanently AFAICT, after the university IT published a robots.txt on that domain that caused (deliberately or not) Archive to hide them, and then later discontinued use of that domain altogether. I think Archive has since changed their policy regarding robots.txt, but the lesson remains the same. Ever since then I try to remember to archive (e.g. wget -m) important third-party pages and artifacts (PDFs, etc) on my personal server, especially reference materials, memorable articles and blog posts, etc. I wish I had that foresight earlier. Though even before that happened I had already started hosting all my own stuff. I still find Archive's Wayback Machine to be immensely valuable and useful. But if you find yourself going back to the same source over and over again, do yourself and everyone else a favor and archive it yourself, in addition to adding it to the Wayback Machine if it's not already there. [1] The E8400 page is presently available, at least: https://web.archive.org/web/20230927192341/https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/33910/intel-core2-duo-processor-e8400-6m-cache-3-00-ghz-1333-mhz-fsb/specifications.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230927192341/https://www.intel...
- AndrewDavis 1y ago
  The difficulty I find with the wayback machine is it's great when you find a dead link, put it in wayback and voila you can go to it. But if you're searching for now defunct pages it's hard unless you know the url already. eg if I wanted the page to the q6600 for example, how do I even get that?
citrin_ru 1y ago
ARK is a great resource and I used it many times. It's so strange anything got removed. I don't believe saving will be more than a rounding error even if we count only cost of ARK operation (which likely costs a small fraction of intel.com site as a whole).

79 points by tart-lemonade 1y ago

Full title: Intel Removed All CPU information pages before 2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors I don't get why they did this, Ark is such a great resource. If there is any cost to keeping the data usable, surely it can't be that much worse for ultra-legacy products that it only makes sense to keep around "newer" (and I use that term very generously) products.

altairprime 1y ago
They probably laid off whoever championed for Ark when it came up at meetings, and then later shut it down and redirected it when it came up in a requests/month report.
pjmlp 1y ago
But but Intel is sooo open source friendly. Turns out like every corporation, they have both sides.
- bslanej 1y ago
  What does open source have to do with this?
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    This is the kind of information projects need when doing FOSS operating systems and compilers?
    - bslanej 1y ago
      That’s a really long stretch there.
    - tester756 1y ago
      Who, when creating new OSes focuses on really old, consumer, nothing unusual hardware? Second, for compilers you have projects like LLVM that's like a framework for building compilers where those companies like Intel, AMD, Samsung, etc contribute.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Not everyone has the opportunity to only have new computers, especially in many third world countries. LLVM shouldn't turn into compiler monoculture.
fuzzfactor 1y ago
Pure focused cruelty, or complete incompetence. You know they've got at least 10x the server cost being wasted by old emails and stuff like that which could be more sensibly purged instead of customer reference documents. Perhaps it's an anti-recycling effort against those who would otherwise keep running these old processors which once played a respectable key part in Intel's progress. After digital files first became available for electronic components, there has never been any good excuse for them to go out-of-print after that.
- imtringued 1y ago
  It's incompetence because Intel should have learned from the Itanium days that their core value proposition is backwards compatibility. There is no logical reason to erase your history of success.
mappu 1y ago
A charitable explanation could be - they intend to reuse the numbering scheme and don't want confusion in search results
- tester756 1y ago
  That's the most reasonable and most likely the reason If it isn't just some error
  - MisterTea 1y ago
    That doesn't make sense unless they're going to release a "Core 2 Duo 8400" at some point. Maybe the i5 750 but I suspect they could have added a generational notice to the ark page and be done with it.
    - hnuser123456 1y ago
      There wouldn't be a clash because they're on "Core Ultra" now.

wahern 1y ago

> I hope internet archive have back up of this Even if they had backups[1], that doesn't necessarily mean they'll remain publicly accessible. I learned that the hard way many years ago when my first university Unix account web pages from the 1990s were made inaccessible, effectively permanently AFAICT, after the university IT published a robots.txt on that domain that caused (deliberately or not) Archive to hide them, and then later discontinued use of that domain altogether. I think Archive has since changed their policy regarding robots.txt, but the lesson remains the same. Ever since then I try to remember to archive (e.g. wget -m) important third-party pages and artifacts (PDFs, etc) on my personal server, especially reference materials, memorable articles and blog posts, etc. I wish I had that foresight earlier. Though even before that happened I had already started hosting all my own stuff. I still find Archive's Wayback Machine to be immensely valuable and useful. But if you find yourself going back to the same source over and over again, do yourself and everyone else a favor and archive it yourself, in addition to adding it to the Wayback Machine if it's not already there. [1] The E8400 page is presently available, at least: https://web.archive.org/web/20230927192341/https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/33910/intel-core2-duo-processor-e8400-6m-cache-3-00-ghz-1333-mhz-fsb/specifications.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230927192341/https://www.intel...

AndrewDavis 1y ago
The difficulty I find with the wayback machine is it's great when you find a dead link, put it in wayback and voila you can go to it. But if you're searching for now defunct pages it's hard unless you know the url already. eg if I wanted the page to the q6600 for example, how do I even get that?

citrin_ru 1y ago

ARK is a great resource and I used it many times. It's so strange anything got removed. I don't believe saving will be more than a rounding error even if we count only cost of ARK operation (which likely costs a small fraction of intel.com site as a whole).