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"Do not commit the sin of empathy"

an0malous 1y ago
“The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy” — Elon on Joe Rogan It’s a core tenant of this Curtis Yarvin / neo reactionary ideology that seems to be shared by a lot of VCs
- k__ 1y ago
  And then he cries on TV because people are not buying his cars. Can't make that crap up...
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
    The funny thing is it is the autists, who don't respond well to emotional appeals. Is that all it is? That it is harder to influence high functioning ones?
    - watwut 1y ago
      Was he ever diagnozed? Because all his success is charizma and social skills based. This claim appears only when he needs to be excused. Also, it is super possible to be a harmful asshole and autist at the same time. Musk also do not care about morals, ethics or laws based appeals.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
        I do not think he ever was. As you note, most of the 'accusations' come up without any real evidence. It is all basically the same story as with most remote diagnosis of all politicians that 99% talk show hosts play with their audiences. FWIW, I personally do not think he has autism. I do think his mind works differently from a good chunk of the population though.
      - theartfuldodger 1y ago
        He said he had Asbergers in 2021 on SNL. There is no reason any further detail would be public.
- cruzcampo 1y ago
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  - grafmax 1y ago
    A cadre of billionaires appears determined to institute fascism in the United States; there’s a very real chance they will succeed. Meanwhile, the climate crisis threatens the long-term survival of our species, yet efforts to steer us away from self-destruction are being actively sabotaged by the fossil fuel industry. This is to say nothing of the warmongering with China, another nuclear power. The concentration of wealth (and by extension, power) really has become an existential threat to humanity.
  - thrance 1y ago
    More often than not, it's the other way around. Being born in the bourgeoisie, like Trump and Musk, grooms you into a certain way of thinking. You're told your whole life you are exceptional, above everyone else. No wonder they turn out like that. Read up on both of these guys' educations if you're interested in this.
    - 47282847 1y ago
      Both Trump and Musk may have been born into “bourgeoisie“, but the connecting and relevant factor here is a highly traumatizing childhood with highly traumatized parents.
      - thrance 1y ago
        I don't know why you put bourgeoisie in quotes like it's a ridiculous concept. With the kind of analysis you give we're stuck with surface level "oh they're just a bad batch", when they're pure products of a system that makes series of them. It's not like they are thousands just like Trump, ready to step in if he loses power. The bourgeoisie has a material interest in installing fascism, which is why we're here. Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg are among the only ones to profit from the current circus. It's not the first time it happens either, this has been proven times and times again. Look up the relations of Hitler and Mussolini with the capitalist class of their times. I am not saying them having a shitty childhood had no influence on their politics, simply that it is not nearly enough to understand our current state of affairs.
- tialaramex 1y ago
  The word you want is tenet A tenant is somebody paying to lease property, for example if you have a landlord, you're their tenant, and by analogy e.g. an Azure tenant is an organisation within the Azure cloud with a unique identifier. A tenet is a belief or principle that is important to some group, for example the IETF's Best Common Practice series are not just RFCs describing a protocol or technology but instead statements of principle such as BCP 188 "Pervasive Monitoring Is An Attack".
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
    << "Pervasive Monitoring Is An Attack". Hmm, thank you. This is by far the best pithy argument for privacy I have found thus far.
    - tialaramex 1y ago
      It's also helpful shorthand. One of the reason there is no RSA KEX† in TLS 1.3 is that under BCP 188 obviously aiding bulk surveillance technology isn't acceptable, so when you have a liaison from the ACLU saying yes, get rid of RSA KEX and a representation from EDCO (Enterprise Data Center Operators, basically big old financial companies) saying it'll cost them too much money to lose RSA KEX so it should be reinstated in the late drafts for the RFC, there was no need to re-explain in great detail why the ACLU are right here because there's already a document explaining to anybody who is new to this. † The RSA Key Exchange goes like this: We get the public key of a server from their certificate which they sent us, we pick a symmetric key at random and we encrypt our chosen key using that public key with the RSA algorithm, so that only the legitimate owner of the certificate can decrypt it, then we send that encrypted key to the server. Because they know the Private Key corresponding to the public key in the certificate they can decrypt the symmetric key we sent. This symmetric key is used for all further communication. This means if say, the Mad King's Secret Police obtain a copy of the RSA private key for the server at any time the Secret Police can decrypt every communication, even if the communications they're decrypting happened weeks, months or years before they obtain the key.
      - WhatsName 1y ago
- mycatisblack 1y ago
  The previous silicon valley giants were to a large degree followers of Ayn Rand. This society selects, grooms and idealises a certain psychological profile.
  - cruzcampo 1y ago
    There's a name for that psychological profile: Sociopathy.
- throw0101b 1y ago
  > “The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy” — Elon on Joe Rogan Also probably Nietzsche (not on Joe Rogan).
- Manabu-eo 1y ago
  "I believe in empathy, like, I think you should care about other people [...] empathy is good" — Elon on Joe Rogan

“The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy” — Elon on Joe Rogan It’s a core tenant of this Curtis Yarvin / neo reactionary ideology that seems to be shared by a lot of VCs

k__ 1y ago
And then he cries on TV because people are not buying his cars. Can't make that crap up...
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
  The funny thing is it is the autists, who don't respond well to emotional appeals. Is that all it is? That it is harder to influence high functioning ones?
  - watwut 1y ago
    Was he ever diagnozed? Because all his success is charizma and social skills based. This claim appears only when he needs to be excused. Also, it is super possible to be a harmful asshole and autist at the same time. Musk also do not care about morals, ethics or laws based appeals.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
      I do not think he ever was. As you note, most of the 'accusations' come up without any real evidence. It is all basically the same story as with most remote diagnosis of all politicians that 99% talk show hosts play with their audiences. FWIW, I personally do not think he has autism. I do think his mind works differently from a good chunk of the population though.
    - theartfuldodger 1y ago
      He said he had Asbergers in 2021 on SNL. There is no reason any further detail would be public.
cruzcampo 1y ago
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- grafmax 1y ago
  A cadre of billionaires appears determined to institute fascism in the United States; there’s a very real chance they will succeed. Meanwhile, the climate crisis threatens the long-term survival of our species, yet efforts to steer us away from self-destruction are being actively sabotaged by the fossil fuel industry. This is to say nothing of the warmongering with China, another nuclear power. The concentration of wealth (and by extension, power) really has become an existential threat to humanity.
- thrance 1y ago
  More often than not, it's the other way around. Being born in the bourgeoisie, like Trump and Musk, grooms you into a certain way of thinking. You're told your whole life you are exceptional, above everyone else. No wonder they turn out like that. Read up on both of these guys' educations if you're interested in this.
  - 47282847 1y ago
    Both Trump and Musk may have been born into “bourgeoisie“, but the connecting and relevant factor here is a highly traumatizing childhood with highly traumatized parents.
    - thrance 1y ago
      I don't know why you put bourgeoisie in quotes like it's a ridiculous concept. With the kind of analysis you give we're stuck with surface level "oh they're just a bad batch", when they're pure products of a system that makes series of them. It's not like they are thousands just like Trump, ready to step in if he loses power. The bourgeoisie has a material interest in installing fascism, which is why we're here. Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg are among the only ones to profit from the current circus. It's not the first time it happens either, this has been proven times and times again. Look up the relations of Hitler and Mussolini with the capitalist class of their times. I am not saying them having a shitty childhood had no influence on their politics, simply that it is not nearly enough to understand our current state of affairs.
tialaramex 1y ago
The word you want is tenet A tenant is somebody paying to lease property, for example if you have a landlord, you're their tenant, and by analogy e.g. an Azure tenant is an organisation within the Azure cloud with a unique identifier. A tenet is a belief or principle that is important to some group, for example the IETF's Best Common Practice series are not just RFCs describing a protocol or technology but instead statements of principle such as BCP 188 "Pervasive Monitoring Is An Attack".
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
  << "Pervasive Monitoring Is An Attack". Hmm, thank you. This is by far the best pithy argument for privacy I have found thus far.
  - tialaramex 1y ago
    It's also helpful shorthand. One of the reason there is no RSA KEX† in TLS 1.3 is that under BCP 188 obviously aiding bulk surveillance technology isn't acceptable, so when you have a liaison from the ACLU saying yes, get rid of RSA KEX and a representation from EDCO (Enterprise Data Center Operators, basically big old financial companies) saying it'll cost them too much money to lose RSA KEX so it should be reinstated in the late drafts for the RFC, there was no need to re-explain in great detail why the ACLU are right here because there's already a document explaining to anybody who is new to this. † The RSA Key Exchange goes like this: We get the public key of a server from their certificate which they sent us, we pick a symmetric key at random and we encrypt our chosen key using that public key with the RSA algorithm, so that only the legitimate owner of the certificate can decrypt it, then we send that encrypted key to the server. Because they know the Private Key corresponding to the public key in the certificate they can decrypt the symmetric key we sent. This symmetric key is used for all further communication. This means if say, the Mad King's Secret Police obtain a copy of the RSA private key for the server at any time the Secret Police can decrypt every communication, even if the communications they're decrypting happened weeks, months or years before they obtain the key.
    - WhatsName 1y ago
mycatisblack 1y ago
The previous silicon valley giants were to a large degree followers of Ayn Rand. This society selects, grooms and idealises a certain psychological profile.
- cruzcampo 1y ago
  There's a name for that psychological profile: Sociopathy.
throw0101b 1y ago
> “The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy” — Elon on Joe Rogan Also probably Nietzsche (not on Joe Rogan).
Manabu-eo 1y ago
"I believe in empathy, like, I think you should care about other people [...] empathy is good" — Elon on Joe Rogan