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yes, and misogyny and south korean women's collective reaction to it is definitely one root cause. not the only, but due to garbage like this article, women the

yes, and misogyny and south korean women's collective reaction to it is definitely one root cause. not the only, but due to garbage like this article, women there do not especially care for the men.

SequoiaHope 1y ago
Women don’t care for the men because of articles like this? I would suggest that the widespread misogyny would more likely be the cause.
- sho_hn 1y ago
  I feel like declining birthrates and misogyny unfortunately easily go hand in hand, causing a downward spiral. The rarer kids are, the more they tend to get spoiled and the more likely they are to act entitled towards others.
  - corban1 1y ago
    Don't developed countries tend to have low birthrates and high status of women? Are you saying that low birth rates cause misogynistic behaviour of kids?
  - ant6n 1y ago
    The rarer kids are, the more people don’t have kids, don’t know anything about kids, don’t care any kids, and treat them like a nuisance. Both privately and publicly.
- djur 1y ago
  I read it as "garbage like [described] in this article", not an attack on the article itself.
  - whateveracct 1y ago
    Yes this is it. I misworded my comment in a confusing way lol.
Probuin 1y ago
Misandry is rampant too, which is a big part of why men are checking out or even developing resentment towards women. This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their only crime is not being attractive. Who are they hurting if they get their rocks off privately fantasising about a woman with the help of AI and image editors? It's downright cruel.
- djur 1y ago
  How is that "misandry"? Do you think only men are lonely and deprived of sex? Do you think only men fantasize about people they're attracted to? How did men survive so many years without synthetic porn of the woman at the office? Producing deepfakes, even for personal use, is irresponsible. Men can use their imaginations.
  - lazide 1y ago
    While Men certainly can be (and likely will be) a major driver, don’t underestimate the willingness of women to target other women using the same tactics and techniques if they think they can get away with it. Men may kill you, but women will make you wish you were dead.
    - novavex 1y ago
      Man comments like this make me a lot more fearful of random men than random women. I've seen so many more vile comments touted by men (I choose to believe the majority of them are bots!) than I've ever seen made by women on regular sites. I don't understand how people become this way.
      - lazide 1y ago
        In this scenario, random women aren’t typically the threat - it’s the women closest to you. The reason it becomes like this is due to a fight for control, often a pathological one. Men will make terrible comments and poison the well to try to drive women (and other men) to them for ‘safety’, as a show of force. No one wants to be on the losing/weak side. And by painting all men as scary, they undermine their competition, and by being blatantly the scariest without consequence they show they are the strongest. See what is happening in US politics. Being visibly scary is a form of marketing/recruitment. Women will make terrible comments and poison the well to stop men (and other women) from leaving because the outside world is too scary, or the alternatives are too scary. No one wants to leave ‘safety’ to get eaten by a monster. And better the devil you know, than the one you don’t eh? Women will often be covertly scary, because their goal is usually retention, not recruitment. You’re watching the war of control unfold.
IshKebab 1y ago
I've never been to South Korea but I'd be really surprised if that has much to do with it. The entire Western world has had massively declining birth rates while simultaneously becoming less misogynistic. If anything there's a negative correlation. In more equitable societies women don't want to just be mothers, and society changes so that it is now difficult for them. For example it's very difficult to live off a single income now so women can't be stay-at-home mothers, and childcare is extremely expensive in most countries.
- rwyinuse 1y ago
  South Korea's birth rate is extremely low even by rich Western world standards. Attitudes towards women are one root cause, materialistic culture another, but their horrible working life is probably even more significant factor. It's hard to have a family when you're busy wage slaving all your waking hours for Samsung or whatever megacorporation, just to afford a place to live.
  - whateveracct 1y ago
    I read an article about it, and apparently people there also kind of hate kids nowadays too.

yes, and misogyny and south korean women's collective reaction to it is definitely one root cause. not the only, but due to garbage like this article, women there do not especially care for the men.

SequoiaHope 1y ago

Women don’t care for the men because of articles like this? I would suggest that the widespread misogyny would more likely be the cause.

sho_hn 1y ago
I feel like declining birthrates and misogyny unfortunately easily go hand in hand, causing a downward spiral. The rarer kids are, the more they tend to get spoiled and the more likely they are to act entitled towards others.
- corban1 1y ago
  Don't developed countries tend to have low birthrates and high status of women? Are you saying that low birth rates cause misogynistic behaviour of kids?
- ant6n 1y ago
  The rarer kids are, the more people don’t have kids, don’t know anything about kids, don’t care any kids, and treat them like a nuisance. Both privately and publicly.
djur 1y ago
I read it as "garbage like [described] in this article", not an attack on the article itself.
- whateveracct 1y ago
  Yes this is it. I misworded my comment in a confusing way lol.

Probuin 1y ago

Misandry is rampant too, which is a big part of why men are checking out or even developing resentment towards women. This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their only crime is not being attractive. Who are they hurting if they get their rocks off privately fantasising about a woman with the help of AI and image editors? It's downright cruel.

djur 1y ago
How is that "misandry"? Do you think only men are lonely and deprived of sex? Do you think only men fantasize about people they're attracted to? How did men survive so many years without synthetic porn of the woman at the office? Producing deepfakes, even for personal use, is irresponsible. Men can use their imaginations.
- lazide 1y ago
  While Men certainly can be (and likely will be) a major driver, don’t underestimate the willingness of women to target other women using the same tactics and techniques if they think they can get away with it. Men may kill you, but women will make you wish you were dead.
  - novavex 1y ago
    Man comments like this make me a lot more fearful of random men than random women. I've seen so many more vile comments touted by men (I choose to believe the majority of them are bots!) than I've ever seen made by women on regular sites. I don't understand how people become this way.
    - lazide 1y ago
      In this scenario, random women aren’t typically the threat - it’s the women closest to you. The reason it becomes like this is due to a fight for control, often a pathological one. Men will make terrible comments and poison the well to try to drive women (and other men) to them for ‘safety’, as a show of force. No one wants to be on the losing/weak side. And by painting all men as scary, they undermine their competition, and by being blatantly the scariest without consequence they show they are the strongest. See what is happening in US politics. Being visibly scary is a form of marketing/recruitment. Women will make terrible comments and poison the well to stop men (and other women) from leaving because the outside world is too scary, or the alternatives are too scary. No one wants to leave ‘safety’ to get eaten by a monster. And better the devil you know, than the one you don’t eh? Women will often be covertly scary, because their goal is usually retention, not recruitment. You’re watching the war of control unfold.

IshKebab 1y ago

I've never been to South Korea but I'd be really surprised if that has much to do with it. The entire Western world has had massively declining birth rates while simultaneously becoming less misogynistic. If anything there's a negative correlation. In more equitable societies women don't want to just be mothers, and society changes so that it is now difficult for them. For example it's very difficult to live off a single income now so women can't be stay-at-home mothers, and childcare is extremely expensive in most countries.

rwyinuse 1y ago
South Korea's birth rate is extremely low even by rich Western world standards. Attitudes towards women are one root cause, materialistic culture another, but their horrible working life is probably even more significant factor. It's hard to have a family when you're busy wage slaving all your waking hours for Samsung or whatever megacorporation, just to afford a place to live.
- whateveracct 1y ago
  I read an article about it, and apparently people there also kind of hate kids nowadays too.