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Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea
- jxjnskkzxxhx 2y agoDoesn't SK have the lowest birth rate in the world?
- whateveracct 2y agoyes, and misogyny and south korean women's collective reaction to it is definitely one root cause. not the only, but due to garbage like this article, women there do not especially care for the men.
- SequoiaHope 2y agoWomen don’t care for the men because of articles like this? I would suggest that the widespread misogyny would more likely be the cause.
- sho_hn 2y agoI feel like declining birthrates and misogyny unfortunately easily go hand in hand, causing a downward spiral. The rarer kids are, the more they tend to get spoiled and the more likely they are to act entitled towards others.
- corban1 2y agoDon't developed countries tend to have low birthrates and high status of women? Are you saying that low birth rates cause misogynistic behaviour of kids?
- ant6n 2y agoThe rarer kids are, the more people don’t have kids, don’t know anything about kids, don’t care any kids, and treat them like a nuisance. Both privately and publicly.
- djur 2y agoI read it as "garbage like [described] in this article", not an attack on the article itself.
- whateveracct 2y agoYes this is it. I misworded my comment in a confusing way lol.
- Probuin 2y agoMisandry is rampant too, which is a big part of why men are checking out or even developing resentment towards women. This article even touches on it, for example, in that just possessing deep-faked porn is punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment. There are many men who will literally never experience a woman's touch, are shunned, isolated, ridiculed, shamed, and even hated by society. They are not bad people, their only crime is not being attractive. Who are they hurting if they get their rocks off privately fantasising about a woman with the help of AI and image editors? It's downright cruel.
- djur 2y agoHow is that "misandry"? Do you think only men are lonely and deprived of sex? Do you think only men fantasize about people they're attracted to? How did men survive so many years without synthetic porn of the woman at the office? Producing deepfakes, even for personal use, is irresponsible. Men can use their imaginations.
- lazide 2y agoWhile Men certainly can be (and likely will be) a major driver, don’t underestimate the willingness of women to target other women using the same tactics and techniques if they think they can get away with it. Men may kill you, but women will make you wish you were dead.
- novavex 2y agoMan comments like this make me a lot more fearful of random men than random women. I've seen so many more vile comments touted by men (I choose to believe the majority of them are bots!) than I've ever seen made by women on regular sites. I don't understand how people become this way.
- lazide 2y agoIn this scenario, random women aren’t typically the threat - it’s the women closest to you. The reason it becomes like this is due to a fight for control, often a pathological one. Men will make terrible comments and poison the well to try to drive women (and other men) to them for ‘safety’, as a show of force. No one wants to be on the losing/weak side. And by painting all men as scary, they undermine their competition, and by being blatantly the scariest without consequence they show they are the strongest. See what is happening in US politics. Being visibly scary is a form of marketing/recruitment. Women will make terrible comments and poison the well to stop men (and other women) from leaving because the outside world is too scary, or the alternatives are too scary. No one wants to leave ‘safety’ to get eaten by a monster. And better the devil you know, than the one you don’t eh? Women will often be covertly scary, because their goal is usually retention, not recruitment. You’re watching the war of control unfold.
- IshKebab 2y agoI've never been to South Korea but I'd be really surprised if that has much to do with it. The entire Western world has had massively declining birth rates while simultaneously becoming less misogynistic. If anything there's a negative correlation. In more equitable societies women don't want to just be mothers, and society changes so that it is now difficult for them. For example it's very difficult to live off a single income now so women can't be stay-at-home mothers, and childcare is extremely expensive in most countries.
- rwyinuse 2y agoSouth Korea's birth rate is extremely low even by rich Western world standards. Attitudes towards women are one root cause, materialistic culture another, but their horrible working life is probably even more significant factor. It's hard to have a family when you're busy wage slaving all your waking hours for Samsung or whatever megacorporation, just to afford a place to live.
- whateveracct 1y agoI read an article about it, and apparently people there also kind of hate kids nowadays too.
- npinsker 2y agohttps://archive.is/pAU45 https://archive.is/pAU45
- psyclobe 2y agoFuck cnn and their pay to read articles
- waits 2y agohttps://lite.cnn.com/2025/04/25/asia/south-korea-deepfake-crimes-intl-hnk-dst/index.html https://lite.cnn.com/2025/04/25/asia/south-korea-deepfake-cr...
- Dwedit 2y agoReader View button in Firefox works.
- paulddraper 2y agoWhy?
- arcen 2y agoA lot of these SK stories keep reading like a cultural/techno dystopia, which makes me wonder if people there want change to occur.
- lazide 2y agoSK has been ‘crazy’ this way for many decades. It’s also why it is so obsessed with plastic surgery. Japan has been going in a similar direction, but has some notable differences (tentacle porn really is a thing, as is chibi). Everyone is just becoming more aware of it, which hey - at least it isn’t just all about the USA anymore!
- klodolph 2y agoJapan isn’t actually going in that direction… as far as I can tell, there’s just a ton of “Japan is so weird” articles that get shared in the west. Like, articles about vending machines that sell used panties to perverts, or men who get married to anime characters. You could just as easily write these articles about the US or any country in Europe, it’s just a bit of old-fashioned orientalism going around that we happen to write these articles about Japan. I assume SK is mostly boring and has boring problems like the rest of us, like rampant alcoholism and poor work culture. Likewise, the social problems with Japan are boring ones like (again) work culture, being punished for standing out, or having to navigate bureaucracy. I don’t even know why chibi would be on your list since it’s just a style of drawing cartoons with big heads.
- hliyan 2y agoSome of the perpetrators: "Two former students from the prestigious Seoul National University (SNU)" and "a quiet, introverted student “someone you’d never imagine doing such a thing,”". "...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”" This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.
- lazide 2y agoThought experiment - what if it was someone making a really convincing painting of the same thing? These are of course real issues, which is why this is going to be an increasingly large problem. The easiest way to ‘deal’ with them is to double down on them - aka [https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_the_kgb_tried_to_blackmail_indonesian/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3jfqo9/til_t...] - but not very many people have the, uh, testicular fortitude to be able to do that. Especially women. Neo-Victorian’ism anyone?
- djur 2y ago1) Sukarno had less to worry about than a schoolteacher (like in the article), perhaps. Teachers can get fired for even a hint of scandal. 2) Victorian men loved porn, prostitution, etc. The "prudishness" of the Victorian era was enforced on women. Deepfakes are just part of the same long tradition of women being deprived of sexual agency and autonomy.
- lazide 2y agoSukarno only had less to worry about because he had ensured he has less to worry about. Dictators have been murdered over nothing, let alone scandals - but he was strong enough at the time that yes, it would have just propped up his image. Teachers rarely have that degree of control of their environment. SK (like most Asian societies) also has a huge ‘crabs in a bucket’ problem, also known as ‘the nail that sticks out gets hammered down’. The Victorian era saw most women (statistically) in unstable relationships, and a great many using prostitution to support themselves. Which also gave them a lot of individual freedom. It was also a time of incredible social mobility, and also fraud. The ‘prudishness’ was as much society trying to use shaming and in group/out group dynamics to maintain control and some degree of integrity to limit the damage from the widespread disruption of the social fabric. It also was applied against men, but men are able to leave easier/escape, as they don’t have the biological issue of being pregnant/young kids in tow to slow them down. Which is also why so many of the middle class had to do things like rent tableware (or even food), etc. to appear ‘upper class’ to avoid being kicked out of whatever support circle they needed, and keep some semblance of propriety. It was an extremely unstable time for everyone, precisely because so many were ‘free’. Society is, and always will be, a giant ouroboros/wheel of control, influence, fighting for independence, etc. The reason why women get stomped on to try to deprive them of sexual agency and autonomy, is precisely because they have so much power with sexual agency. Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex. Most men, if unrestricted, can then leave to go do something else, leaving the woman ‘holding the bag’ when she is pregnant. Birth control has unhinged the equation quite a lot, and free flow of information is doing so even more. That scares all the rest of the women, and many of the men, which is why we have what we have. The more freedom is actually present, the more unhinged the attacks eventually become. Because the goal is control, even if it is pathological control. Interesting times, eh?
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- icu 2y agoAs a parent I worry about this technology being used on children. While one way of preventing this from happening is to limit photos of children on social media it's extremely difficult to maintain this once they hit high school/secondary school. That approach also doesn't stop someone taking source photos or video using their phone.
- Der_Einzige 2y agoOne of the most popular models on civit.ai today (huggingface for diffusion models but defacto basically a porn site) is the “age slider”. It’s 10000% mostly used for creating this kind of horrifying content.
- corban1 2y agoI see sites like 4chan sharing deepfakes of their acquaintances daily and they don't seem to gain media reaction like this. I wonder the severity they feel is different in SK?
- Probuin 2y agoI understand the laws against distribution, but can anyone explain why creating/possessing deep-faked porn for private use is so morally reprehensible or even criminal? I can't identify a victim in this scenario. Whose business is it? I genuinely couldn't care less if someone did this "to" me, but then I recognise that as a middle aged dude that's not ever happening so I may have a blind spot here. How would I even know unless, ironically, the investigation and prosecution publicised the fact that it exists?
- brabel 2y agoIt’s indeed thought police. But i suppose there’s a huge difference when the material is used for blackmail… and there’s also a risk it may be stolen and then shared publicly in which case it can be devastating for the victim. But if you keep the material well hidden it’s similar to if it was just in your imagination and hopefully that’s not illegal yet.
- Probuin 2y agoThat's exactly my point though. It is. From the article: >in September, legislators passed an amendment that made possessing and viewing deepfake porn punishable by up to three years in prison. This is insane.
- lazide 2y agoYou’re getting downvoted because it triggers some really deep ick feelings. Ick feelings that as a middle aged dude you’ve likely never had (or will likely have), so can’t appreciate. If you’ve had a crazy stalker (truly crazy), you’d probably think differently. For instance, that Star Trek episode where Barclay was simulating the crew and having ‘relationships’ with them on the holodeck - in ‘real life’ the crew would have ostracized him, at the minimum. In ‘real real life’, he might have just gotten murdered, ahem, ‘had a transporter accident’. It’s similar. Yeah, logically ‘no one was getting hurt’, but people aren’t logical that way. For a reason, frankly. And if you think of it as a prelude to something much more disturbing and direct happening (which it well might), then it makes sense to have the ‘disproportionate’/illogical reaction. Those emotions are warning people of an imminent threat, and they’d be fools to ignore them, regardless of what anyone says.
- almosthere 2y agoAll porn destroys lives! Deeply faked or not.
- myaccountonhn 2y agoI think if anything will stop free computing, it'll be AI, specifically for this reason. Too easy to abused, and too many (especially women) being harmed.
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- quietmonkey 2y agoWhat would that look like? It's hard to imagine putting the genie back in the bottle with any technology, let alone the personal computer which has been in circulation for decades.
- shiandow 2y agoReally? Hoe many people do you know who use big neural networks, how many of them run it on their own hardware?
- int_19h 2y agoFor image generation, the bar is much lower than for text. E.g. FLUX.1-dev is 12B parameters. Running those on local hardware is extremely common and very easy, especially with apps like Draw Things (the latter can even run on iPhones and iPads!).
- exsomet 2y agoHumans have a long history of leading very real and literal crusades based on morals. It’s not that far-fetched to think that could happen again one day - perhaps over AI and computers, perhaps over something else. All you need to do is convince enough people with weapons that you’re the moral compass of the time.
- myaccountonhn 2y agoBasically only approved,locked down devices provided by Microsoft and Apple. Maybe outlaw any app not on an app store. Just some (dystopic) ideas.