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How does Tilt compare to “skaffold dev“? We use skaffold exactly for that purpose. To develop within a the cluster.

by patwoz 1y ago

turtlebits 1y ago
Skaffold works but its DX is pretty poor. Too many knobs via yaml- tilt has just enough magic that it doesn't feel like a chore to setup local dev.
- cirego 1y ago
  I've always appreciated that Tilt chose Starlark instead of YAML. Makes things so much cleaner!
  - tomjakubowski 1y ago
    Well, now you've really got me interested. Almost every case of a YAML eDSL would be better served by Starlark instead, in my Bazel-brained opinion.
    - cirego 1y ago
      I think Tilt Extensions highlights the combined power and composability that using Starlarks brings to Tilt: https://docs.tilt.dev/extensions.html https://docs.tilt.dev/extensions.html. Want to create a Kubernetes secret? It's as simple as: load('ext://secret', 'secret_yaml_generic') k8s_yaml(secret_yaml_generic(...)) Want to create that secret from Vault instead? load('ext://vault_client', 'vault_read_secret', 'vault_set_env_vars') vault_set_env_vars('https://localhost:8200','mytoken') my_foo = vault_read_secret('path/myfoo', 'value') my_bar = vault_read_secret('path/mybar', 'foobar')
eats_indigo 1y ago
Migrated from Skaffold to Tilt at my last co, found it was much more easier to configure granular rebuild rules, which lead to faster dev loop cycles
- 3abiton 1y ago
  Any catch?
lima 1y ago
Much more flexible than Skaffold thanks to Starlark config vs. a rigid YAML structure.
- ajayvk 1y ago
  Starlark does allow for much more concise and powerful config specification. I am building https://github.com/claceio/clace https://github.com/claceio/clace, which is an application server for teams to deploy internal tools. Clace uses Starlark for defining apps, instead of something like YAML. https://github.com/claceio/clace/blob/main/examples/utils.star https://github.com/claceio/clace/blob/main/examples/utils.st... is a config file which defines around seven apps (apps are downloaded and deployed directly from git). Clace uses Starlark for defining app level routing rules also. This avoids the need to use a nginx like DSL for routing.

How does Tilt compare to “skaffold dev“? We use skaffold exactly for that purpose. To develop within a the cluster.

by patwoz 1y ago

How does Tilt compare to “skaffold dev“? We use skaffold exactly for that purpose. To develop within a the cluster.

Skaffold works but its DX is pretty poor. Too many knobs via yaml- tilt has just enough magic that it doesn't feel like a chore to setup local dev.

cirego 1y ago
I've always appreciated that Tilt chose Starlark instead of YAML. Makes things so much cleaner!
- tomjakubowski 1y ago
  Well, now you've really got me interested. Almost every case of a YAML eDSL would be better served by Starlark instead, in my Bazel-brained opinion.
  - cirego 1y ago
    I think Tilt Extensions highlights the combined power and composability that using Starlarks brings to Tilt: https://docs.tilt.dev/extensions.html https://docs.tilt.dev/extensions.html. Want to create a Kubernetes secret? It's as simple as: load('ext://secret', 'secret_yaml_generic') k8s_yaml(secret_yaml_generic(...)) Want to create that secret from Vault instead? load('ext://vault_client', 'vault_read_secret', 'vault_set_env_vars') vault_set_env_vars('https://localhost:8200','mytoken') my_foo = vault_read_secret('path/myfoo', 'value') my_bar = vault_read_secret('path/mybar', 'foobar')

eats_indigo 1y ago

Migrated from Skaffold to Tilt at my last co, found it was much more easier to configure granular rebuild rules, which lead to faster dev loop cycles

3abiton 1y ago
Any catch?

lima 1y ago

Much more flexible than Skaffold thanks to Starlark config vs. a rigid YAML structure.

ajayvk 1y ago
Starlark does allow for much more concise and powerful config specification. I am building https://github.com/claceio/clace https://github.com/claceio/clace, which is an application server for teams to deploy internal tools. Clace uses Starlark for defining apps, instead of something like YAML. https://github.com/claceio/clace/blob/main/examples/utils.star https://github.com/claceio/clace/blob/main/examples/utils.st... is a config file which defines around seven apps (apps are downloaded and deployed directly from git). Clace uses Starlark for defining app level routing rules also. This avoids the need to use a nginx like DSL for routing.