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Let's do another time warp. It's 2000, Bill Clinton is about to wrap up his second term and has deported more people in that term than any president ever at ne

Let's do another time warp. It's 2000, Bill Clinton is about to wrap up his second term and has deported more people in that term than any president ever at nearly 7,000,000 deportations. Trump barely had 2,000,000 deportations in his first term. Trump's first term was the lowest level of deportations for any administration since Carter. Obama, Reagan, Both Bushes, Clinton and Biden all deported more people every term of their administrations. This has been going on for a long time. I doubt Trump will beat Clinton's 2nd term. I'd be willing to bet on it if anyone wants to take the other side. There is so much lack of context in all these discussions. The 'Maryland Man' that everyone is extremely concerned about was first deported by Obama admin in 2009. Remigration is an ugly business, but it has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law.

dweinus 1y ago
Oh cool, horrendous things like this have been done for years. I guess it's fine then, human rights violations aren't real if someone else did them too. /s
0x5f3759df-i 1y ago
“We’re incompetent and can’t achieve our goals by following the same laws and due process previous administrations used so we’re just going to perform as many random acts of evil and right violations to the people we can grab and hope that makes up the difference “
- AustinDev 1y ago
  I know, right? The incompetence is mind blowing. At least they stopped letting people in, but they'll never reach their stated goals. To be fair though 'due process' via a hearing isn't that common in deportations in this country. "The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers. A deportation system that herds 75 percent of people through fast-track, streamlined removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized due process."[1] 3/4 of Obama era deportations were 'nonjudicial removals' meaning that there was no hearing in front of an immigration judge before removal. People just didn't care as much then I suppose. [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...
elliotec 1y ago
How many of those included US citizens and legal residents?
- AustinDev 1y ago
  Best data I can find says it's been on the order of >20 <100 per year over the last ~30 years. Which seems relatively reasonable given the size the denominator. Wrongly deporting legal residents and citizens is obviously awful but there is no such thing as a perfect process.
- umvi 1y ago
  Hard to tell since the legacy media has historically leaned left (and has tended tend to look the other way on stories that make democrat administrations look bad), but I would not be surprised if, out of 7 million, some % of corner cases slipped through due to human error.
JackYoustra 1y ago
Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations. > Remigration is an ugly business, but it has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law. god, what enemies do you have?? I don't know how you go from "give them due process" to "the west has fallen" unless you mean restricting migration by law, which Biden proposed and Trump rejected last year. I'm actually curious - are you aware of that law? Did you hear about it?
- AustinDev 1y ago
  >Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations. As I've mentioned in other comments non-judicial removals (no immigration hearing) are in fact very common accounting for nearly 75% of all removals. Deportation of American citizens has happened, and it is wrong. It's been happening every year in small numbers for the last 30 years. In the OP case in particular the children were deported with the parents at the parent's request according to a DHS statement. So this was not a mistake. >I'm actually curious - are you aware of that law? Did you hear about it? Of course, you're talking about The Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act. The 'immigration amendment' wasn't really necessary and you could argue the better electronic communications outlined in the bill actually could increase immigration efficiency. It was a very popular lie that legislation was needed to stop millions of illegals from entering the country during the Biden administration. Border crossings have dropped ~95% since the new administration took over. Probably for two main reasons, no more parole while waiting for a hearing and NGO funding drying up.
  - JackYoustra 1y ago
    If you think it's wrong then it certainly does not 'has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law' If you can't criticize the overall objective (large-scale depopulation of America because so-called undesirables don't meet arbitrary legal criteria) then at least criticize the approach - don't call it an ugly but necessary business. Call it a completely unnecessary violation of civil rights and due process that it is! Don't make up garbage about sovereignty.
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dweinus 1y ago

Oh cool, horrendous things like this have been done for years. I guess it's fine then, human rights violations aren't real if someone else did them too. /s

0x5f3759df-i 1y ago

“We’re incompetent and can’t achieve our goals by following the same laws and due process previous administrations used so we’re just going to perform as many random acts of evil and right violations to the people we can grab and hope that makes up the difference “

AustinDev 1y ago
I know, right? The incompetence is mind blowing. At least they stopped letting people in, but they'll never reach their stated goals. To be fair though 'due process' via a hearing isn't that common in deportations in this country. "The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers. A deportation system that herds 75 percent of people through fast-track, streamlined removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized due process."[1] 3/4 of Obama era deportations were 'nonjudicial removals' meaning that there was no hearing in front of an immigration judge before removal. People just didn't care as much then I suppose. [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...

elliotec 1y ago

How many of those included US citizens and legal residents?

AustinDev 1y ago
Best data I can find says it's been on the order of >20 <100 per year over the last ~30 years. Which seems relatively reasonable given the size the denominator. Wrongly deporting legal residents and citizens is obviously awful but there is no such thing as a perfect process.
umvi 1y ago
Hard to tell since the legacy media has historically leaned left (and has tended tend to look the other way on stories that make democrat administrations look bad), but I would not be surprised if, out of 7 million, some % of corner cases slipped through due to human error.

JackYoustra 1y ago

Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations. > Remigration is an ugly business, but it has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law. god, what enemies do you have?? I don't know how you go from "give them due process" to "the west has fallen" unless you mean restricting migration by law, which Biden proposed and Trump rejected last year. I'm actually curious - are you aware of that law? Did you hear about it?

AustinDev 1y ago
>Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations. As I've mentioned in other comments non-judicial removals (no immigration hearing) are in fact very common accounting for nearly 75% of all removals. Deportation of American citizens has happened, and it is wrong. It's been happening every year in small numbers for the last 30 years. In the OP case in particular the children were deported with the parents at the parent's request according to a DHS statement. So this was not a mistake. >I'm actually curious - are you aware of that law? Did you hear about it? Of course, you're talking about The Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act. The 'immigration amendment' wasn't really necessary and you could argue the better electronic communications outlined in the bill actually could increase immigration efficiency. It was a very popular lie that legislation was needed to stop millions of illegals from entering the country during the Biden administration. Border crossings have dropped ~95% since the new administration took over. Probably for two main reasons, no more parole while waiting for a hearing and NGO funding drying up.
- JackYoustra 1y ago
  If you think it's wrong then it certainly does not 'has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law' If you can't criticize the overall objective (large-scale depopulation of America because so-called undesirables don't meet arbitrary legal criteria) then at least criticize the approach - don't call it an ugly but necessary business. Call it a completely unnecessary violation of civil rights and due process that it is! Don't make up garbage about sovereignty.

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