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Let's do a time warp. It's 2018. Children are being separated from their parents and kept in cages[1]. It's really important to notice that the pictures in t
by beloch 1y ago
Let's do a time warp.
It's 2018. Children are being separated from their parents and kept in cages[1]. It's really important to notice that the pictures in this article are not from reporters, leaks or anything of the sort. They were released by Customs and Border Protection and, no doubt, make things look better than they were.
What has changed since Trump's first term? Yes, there is now a stronger sensitivity to separating children from their parents, among the public at least. One solution is to simply deport child citizens along with non-citizen parents and claim it was by choice.
What solutions are we not seeing in the media though? How many photos are being published about conditions in ICE facilities, Guantanamo bay, etc.? What's going on that we just don't know about this time? If some judge ordered the release of photos of current conditions in ICE facilities, they'd be ignored or even charged with some made-up crime.
I see a lot of people here trying to reason this away, but it's going to be worse than last time and, eventually, the truth will get out. I know it's tough to care about this while Trump is simultaneously tanking the stock market, waging trade wars, threatening multiple countries with invasion or annexation, etc.. That is by design. Even Americans who cannot spare any sympathy for immigrants need to make the time to care about how their government is treating American children.
[1]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44518942 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44518942
- AustinDev 1y agoLet's do another time warp. It's 2000, Bill Clinton is about to wrap up his second term and has deported more people in that term than any president ever at nearly 7,000,000 deportations. Trump barely had 2,000,000 deportations in his first term. Trump's first term was the lowest level of deportations for any administration since Carter. Obama, Reagan, Both Bushes, Clinton and Biden all deported more people every term of their administrations. This has been going on for a long time. I doubt Trump will beat Clinton's 2nd term. I'd be willing to bet on it if anyone wants to take the other side. There is so much lack of context in all these discussions. The 'Maryland Man' that everyone is extremely concerned about was first deported by Obama admin in 2009. Remigration is an ugly business, but it has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law.
- dweinus 1y agoOh cool, horrendous things like this have been done for years. I guess it's fine then, human rights violations aren't real if someone else did them too. /s
- 0x5f3759df-i 1y ago“We’re incompetent and can’t achieve our goals by following the same laws and due process previous administrations used so we’re just going to perform as many random acts of evil and right violations to the people we can grab and hope that makes up the difference “
- AustinDev 1y agoI know, right? The incompetence is mind blowing. At least they stopped letting people in, but they'll never reach their stated goals. To be fair though 'due process' via a hearing isn't that common in deportations in this country. "The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers. A deportation system that herds 75 percent of people through fast-track, streamlined removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized due process."[1] 3/4 of Obama era deportations were 'nonjudicial removals' meaning that there was no hearing in front of an immigration judge before removal. People just didn't care as much then I suppose. [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...
- elliotec 1y agoHow many of those included US citizens and legal residents?
- AustinDev 1y agoBest data I can find says it's been on the order of >20 <100 per year over the last ~30 years. Which seems relatively reasonable given the size the denominator. Wrongly deporting legal residents and citizens is obviously awful but there is no such thing as a perfect process.