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Yup. Mastodon has this issue. Can’t pick a big generic instance because it could get defederated for spam/being too normie; can’t pick a small instance because

by rafram 2y ago

Yup. Mastodon has this issue. Can’t pick a big generic instance because it could get defederated for spam/being too normie; can’t pick a small instance because it could get defederated over some ridiculous drama [1][2]. Normal people (and even some not-normal people) don’t want to deal with that. “Instances” are a bad model. [1]: https://tootworld.social/@lilythelonelygirl/114399983355308390 https://tootworld.social/@lilythelonelygirl/1143999833553083... [2]: https://tau-ceti.space/@lo__@mastodon.social/114394202556951310 https://tau-ceti.space/@lo__@mastodon.social/114394202556951...

wkat4242 2y ago
I don't think the instances themselves are the problem. It's rather the whole defederation mess. If this had been left in the users' own hands rather than the server operators, it wouldn't have been an issue. After all email is very federated and it works fine. And people have no issue grokking it. The implementation matters.
baxuz 2y ago
Mastodon is basically Reddit for people who have the urge to tell you they use Arch.
- krapp 2y ago
  Twitter. Mastodon is a Twitter clone. The Reddit clone is Lemmy.
krapp 2y ago
Weird. Millions of people seem able to deal with it just fine.
spookie 2y ago
Yeah mods of an instance have the power to do so for the sake of their users (in their view at least). Your comment also implies their actions affect all other instances just by seldomly doing this action. Which isn't the case. We can cherry pick all day, but one cannot take the whole Fediverse down like it happened with Bluesky. Which is the topic at hand.
sitzkrieg 2y ago
this is a fediverse issue. mastodon is a client
- rafram 2y ago
  Pedantry.
  - sitzkrieg 2y ago
    yep. hand me a kleenex
joejoo 2y ago
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renewedrebecca 2y ago
> Can’t pick a big generic instance because Nobody is going to defederate from mastodon.social, but otherwise, this is all true.
- PurestGuava 1y ago
  People can and have.
- gkbrk 1y ago
  It's very common to defederate from mastodon.social due to spam. It might be among the most de-federated instances.

by rafram 2y ago

wkat4242 2y ago

I don't think the instances themselves are the problem. It's rather the whole defederation mess. If this had been left in the users' own hands rather than the server operators, it wouldn't have been an issue. After all email is very federated and it works fine. And people have no issue grokking it. The implementation matters.

baxuz 2y ago

Mastodon is basically Reddit for people who have the urge to tell you they use Arch.

krapp 2y ago
Twitter. Mastodon is a Twitter clone. The Reddit clone is Lemmy.

krapp 2y ago

Weird. Millions of people seem able to deal with it just fine.

spookie 2y ago

Yeah mods of an instance have the power to do so for the sake of their users (in their view at least). Your comment also implies their actions affect all other instances just by seldomly doing this action. Which isn't the case. We can cherry pick all day, but one cannot take the whole Fediverse down like it happened with Bluesky. Which is the topic at hand.

sitzkrieg 2y ago

this is a fediverse issue. mastodon is a client

rafram 2y ago
Pedantry.
- sitzkrieg 2y ago
  yep. hand me a kleenex

joejoo 2y ago

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renewedrebecca 2y ago

> Can’t pick a big generic instance because Nobody is going to defederate from mastodon.social, but otherwise, this is all true.

PurestGuava 1y ago
People can and have.
gkbrk 1y ago
It's very common to defederate from mastodon.social due to spam. It might be among the most de-federated instances.