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RT is not legit. It is Russian propaganda. When those people participated they were collaborators.

by NelsonMinar 1y ago

myst 1y ago
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- usernomdeguerre 1y ago
  If NelsonMinar doesn't say it, I will.
- deleted 1y ago
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- thenberlin 1y ago
  Entirely uncritical state controlled or substantially aligned media masquerading as news is always bad and should be criticized. See also almost anyone called on in White House press briefings these days. Plus, you are saying it like all propaganda is somehow the same. Rosie the Riveter != "Russia isn't going to do anything...well, it's America's fault...NATO something something...actually, Ukraine basically deserved it."
- consumer451 1y ago
  Not who you are responding to, but given that as rational humans, we have the capacity to make non-binary comparisons, Kremlin propaganda is indeed far worse than most. I say this as a European who sees clear flaws in the US system, but that does not make the Russian system good, or even a little good. It is objectively horrible. The Russian people, for one, deserve far better. It is important to point out that Russian propaganda is actually excellent propaganda. However, their message is the at the very bottom: There is no truth, up is down, nothing matters, the invader is the victim, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_propaganda_in_the_Russian_Federation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_propaganda_in_the_Russia...
- Braxton1980 1y ago
  It is. Stop trying to make everything equal.
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roenxi 1y ago
Ex-CIA head Brennan famously remarked in an MSNBC interview [0] that when he says something is a Russian information operation that includes dumping accurate information. So really it isn't enough to identify something as Russian propaganda - it is necessary to analyse whether it is propaganda of the accurate and informative variety, or the inaccurate variety. Propaganda really just means someone is arguing a viewpoint. The BBC is classic propaganda, but nonetheless a pretty reliable source of information and a lot of the views are very agreeable. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Shx2AR_E4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Shx2AR_E4
- chii 1y ago
  > a lot of the views are very agreeable That's why you don't "ignore" propaganda, but consume all, from all sides. Just consuming agreeable propaganda simply means it is working.
  - exceptione 1y ago
    Nope, you shouldn't. Because propaganda is effective. Humans are by default not influenced by logic, but rather respond on beliefs and emotions. This is one of the hardest thing to swallow for us people, we do see ourself as independent rational thinkers. We are sometimes able to, with effort. To understand it better, you should know that Russian propaganda is not designed to instill a certain belief, but rather to make you not belief the truth. The Kremlin is happy to push different, conflicting stories. You end up with a society of nihilists.
    - chii 1y ago
      > We are sometimes able to, with effort. and i'm saying everyone should expend this effort, because otherwise, people and democracy gets taken over. It's one's civic duty to ensure that you are not making choices based on lies or manipulations.
      - exceptione 1y ago
        > and i'm saying everyone should expend this effort, Agreed. But I would add that one shouldn't stick their head into stuff that is deliberately trying to steer you away from the truth and seeks to undermine your moral compass. I think it would help people immensely if they first could filter their sources on intent and principles. The Guardian is a better source than the newspapers from North Korea.
SanjayMehta 1y ago
This applies to all state owned media. The US is unique that even privately held corporations push propaganda. The most gratuitous example is NYT, as documented by Ashley Rindsberg in his book “The Gray Lady Winked.”
- spacechild1 1y ago
  > The US is unique that even privately held corporations push propaganda. How is that unique to the US?

RT is not legit. It is Russian propaganda. When those people participated they were collaborators.

myst 1y ago

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usernomdeguerre 1y ago
If NelsonMinar doesn't say it, I will.
deleted 1y ago
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thenberlin 1y ago
Entirely uncritical state controlled or substantially aligned media masquerading as news is always bad and should be criticized. See also almost anyone called on in White House press briefings these days. Plus, you are saying it like all propaganda is somehow the same. Rosie the Riveter != "Russia isn't going to do anything...well, it's America's fault...NATO something something...actually, Ukraine basically deserved it."
consumer451 1y ago
Not who you are responding to, but given that as rational humans, we have the capacity to make non-binary comparisons, Kremlin propaganda is indeed far worse than most. I say this as a European who sees clear flaws in the US system, but that does not make the Russian system good, or even a little good. It is objectively horrible. The Russian people, for one, deserve far better. It is important to point out that Russian propaganda is actually excellent propaganda. However, their message is the at the very bottom: There is no truth, up is down, nothing matters, the invader is the victim, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_propaganda_in_the_Russian_Federation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_propaganda_in_the_Russia...
Braxton1980 1y ago
It is. Stop trying to make everything equal.

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roenxi 1y ago

Ex-CIA head Brennan famously remarked in an MSNBC interview [0] that when he says something is a Russian information operation that includes dumping accurate information. So really it isn't enough to identify something as Russian propaganda - it is necessary to analyse whether it is propaganda of the accurate and informative variety, or the inaccurate variety. Propaganda really just means someone is arguing a viewpoint. The BBC is classic propaganda, but nonetheless a pretty reliable source of information and a lot of the views are very agreeable. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Shx2AR_E4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Shx2AR_E4

chii 1y ago
> a lot of the views are very agreeable That's why you don't "ignore" propaganda, but consume all, from all sides. Just consuming agreeable propaganda simply means it is working.
- exceptione 1y ago
  Nope, you shouldn't. Because propaganda is effective. Humans are by default not influenced by logic, but rather respond on beliefs and emotions. This is one of the hardest thing to swallow for us people, we do see ourself as independent rational thinkers. We are sometimes able to, with effort. To understand it better, you should know that Russian propaganda is not designed to instill a certain belief, but rather to make you not belief the truth. The Kremlin is happy to push different, conflicting stories. You end up with a society of nihilists.
  - chii 1y ago
    > We are sometimes able to, with effort. and i'm saying everyone should expend this effort, because otherwise, people and democracy gets taken over. It's one's civic duty to ensure that you are not making choices based on lies or manipulations.
    - exceptione 1y ago
      > and i'm saying everyone should expend this effort, Agreed. But I would add that one shouldn't stick their head into stuff that is deliberately trying to steer you away from the truth and seeks to undermine your moral compass. I think it would help people immensely if they first could filter their sources on intent and principles. The Guardian is a better source than the newspapers from North Korea.

SanjayMehta 1y ago

This applies to all state owned media. The US is unique that even privately held corporations push propaganda. The most gratuitous example is NYT, as documented by Ashley Rindsberg in his book “The Gray Lady Winked.”

spacechild1 1y ago
> The US is unique that even privately held corporations push propaganda. How is that unique to the US?