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That doesn't make any sense. Eliminatung DUI is not a matter of detection, and automatic light sensors save lives.
by the_gipsy 2y ago
That doesn't make any sense. Eliminatung DUI is not a matter of detection, and automatic light sensors save lives.
- margalabargala 2y agoIt could make sense. We don't know the numbers. Let's say net X lives are saved each year because of automatic lights turning on. Let's say net Y lives would be saved each year without automatic lights, via more effective detection of drunk drivers and stopping them before they kill someone. Is X > Y? We don't know. > Eliminatung DUI is not a matter of detection There are a lot of avenues to decrease DUI, among which one is effective detection combined with enforcement.
- cma 2y agoThere may be something like that that does make it counterintuitive. Usually those kind of Malcom Gladwell paradoxes end up overstated. There would be other factors, like drunk people are probably safer with their lights on too. Lane keeping probably makes it harder to detect drunk drivers too but also may make them safer.
- smcleod 2y agoThe EU has done lots of reach on road and car safety, there's lots of data out there - just perhaps not in the US as many American made cars have significantly lagged behind in terms of safety features.
- throwawat19r83 2y agoI don't know if it's an EU rule, but in my (European) country cars are required to have their lights on at all times, even during the day. The lights switch on automatically when you start the car
- chuckadams 2y agoI'm baffled that daytime running lights are not mandatory on all models of all cars in 2025. My 13 year old Grand Caravan has them, though I suspect it's because it comes from the Daimler Chrysler era.
- potato3732842 2y agoI love to baselessly praise europe as much as the next idiot in the comments but most North American models that got DRLs before it was legally required got them because they've been required in Canada since the 90s
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y agoIt's a good idea in some places. An overcast winter's day in the North isn't that well lit by default.
- froindt 2y agoAfter I visited Iceland where it's mandatory, I liked the improved visibility so much I turn my lights on for every single trip. It was not a takeaway I was expecting to have from the trip.
- margalabargala 2y agoThe EU also is far more strict on DUIs.
- the_gipsy 2y agoOkay, let's compare it to: Let's not make auto-pilot mandatory in planes, because sometimes a copilot has found that a pilot was drunk when taking off manually. Even if there was a drunken pilot epidemic that causes 10 plane crashes per year, and autopilot only prevents 1 plane crash per year, it would be ridiculous not to make the autopilot mandatory and rely on its absence to catch some of those drunken pilot crashes.
- margalabargala 2y agoI don't agree. Why would that be ridiculous? In the example you give, if the copilot catches the pilot more than 10% of the time, then the swap to mandatory autopilot kills more people than not doing it. I hardly think it would be ridiculous to want to save more lives.
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- sneak 2y agoThis is simply because police don’t do their jobs. It would be trivial to simply wait outside bars at 2AM and give out tons of DUIs but a significant percentage of the population are alcoholics and this would result in massive blowback against the police. Go to any small town watering hole at 2AM to see this in effect. The police have no legal obligation to prevent crime or enforce laws. None.
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