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I don't think DOGE is about saving money. It's about some kind of ideological purge, intimidation, and possibly gathering data. I expect that Trump's second te

by api 1y ago

I don't think DOGE is about saving money. It's about some kind of ideological purge, intimidation, and possibly gathering data. I expect that Trump's second term is going to massively balloon the deficit just like most Republican presents have since Reagan.

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bilbo0s 1y ago
Well, I'm also fair certain that there are a lot of foreign intelligence services which, having infiltrated through DOGE, are currently leaving digital "gifts" throughout all of our systems. So it's also about spying. Not blaming those foreign agencies. I'd do the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot. But congrats. Get your laughs in now. The US will be back. We'll have our day. Just takes time, patience and studied observation. We have a long memory.
- stevenwoo 1y ago
  Considering how often our presidential elections keep selecting the candidates from the party that implodes the economy for tax cuts for the rich, our memory is not long enough.
  - pstuart 1y ago
    Presidential elections are won on emotions, not logic. And the emotions in question are usually negative. This is why the Culture War exists -- to stir up anger, hate, and fear and leverage that to sway voters.
    - no_wizard 1y ago
      Not to mention, trade wars are class wars. There is a reason alot of incredibly wealthy people - by any standard - support the tariffs. Its a way to assert more control over the economy so that when the tariffs come down - and they will come down - they've already primed themselves by taking more control of goods or having done so while the tariffs are still active. Its a means of control. I expect a wave of corporate consolidation happening soon across most sectors that will be driven by this outlook
      - pstuart 1y ago
        Absolutely agree. They want to replace income taxes with tariffs, because rich people. The last tax cut promised to create jobs but (surprised pikachu face) instead went to stock buybacks.
- blitzar 1y ago
  The Rest of the World are back. You have had your day. Just takes time, patience, studied observation and after all, my house has been standing longer than your country has existed. We have a long memory.
  - bilbo0s 1y ago
    And you should have a long memory. That's how a nation looks after its own interests. As I implied in my original comment, I applaud and admire that about these foreign agencies. Also, many nations do have houses older than the US. My compliments to your ancient engineers. Time will tell how long ours will last. I would caution however that, unless I miss my guess, I suspect we both know ours will outlast the surrogates currently being used to leave digital gifts in our systems.
pstuart 1y ago
> I don't think DOGE is about saving money. It's about some kind of ideological purge, intimidation, and possibly gathering data You are not alone in this assumption, they've made it clear from the outset via Project 2025. They want to dismantle the government and sell it off to their friends. It's a pity too, in that we should be continuously trying to make government more cost effective. It's one of the countless missteps of the Dems to not do this themselves (but in the right way: provide valuable services while trimming waste). Another misstep is in not educating the public on the value the public gets from the tax dollars spent.
- no_wizard 1y ago
  >provide valuable services while trimming waste I'm going to zero in on the issue with this. The way unions exist in the US is not conductive to smart reforms. We have structured labor relations in the US to be as hostile as possible which makes them as hard as possible. This was deliberate, going back to the Pinkerton era. Since certain standards were enacted that prevented violent strikebreaking, business owners needed an enemy, and by making these negotiations as fraught as possible, they are able to go to the public and thereby politicians, and plead their case about how damaging unions are to the economy, even though businesses themselves have conducted themselves in such a manner and supported legislation that makes it this way Thereby, any attempts at reform - which will likely mean eliminating or retraining positions - typically only comes when all austerity measures come, which by then is too late or useful to be meaningful, and often due to reactionary and hurried processes of enactment, are not well thought out, trimming too much or too little and not much in between. If we had a sane labor relations paradigm we could do more here and it would benefit everyone - the tax payer and the workers - without inducing undue harm. This stretches into private industry as well. Labor relations are incredibly adversarial there too. I do want to also point out, that the reason its this way is due to businesses (and by proxy, pro business politicians) being unwilling to compromise and fighting labor tooth and nail, even in 2025, which has set the historical tone for these situations. Had businesses been more reasonable during the Pinkerton era organized labor would be healthier than it is now for both sides. If we had things like sectorial bargaining and a better overall organized labor system, I think the US wouldn't have such tension in achieving smart reforms
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bilbo0s 1y ago

Well, I'm also fair certain that there are a lot of foreign intelligence services which, having infiltrated through DOGE, are currently leaving digital "gifts" throughout all of our systems. So it's also about spying. Not blaming those foreign agencies. I'd do the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot. But congrats. Get your laughs in now. The US will be back. We'll have our day. Just takes time, patience and studied observation. We have a long memory.

stevenwoo 1y ago
Considering how often our presidential elections keep selecting the candidates from the party that implodes the economy for tax cuts for the rich, our memory is not long enough.
- pstuart 1y ago
  Presidential elections are won on emotions, not logic. And the emotions in question are usually negative. This is why the Culture War exists -- to stir up anger, hate, and fear and leverage that to sway voters.
  - no_wizard 1y ago
    Not to mention, trade wars are class wars. There is a reason alot of incredibly wealthy people - by any standard - support the tariffs. Its a way to assert more control over the economy so that when the tariffs come down - and they will come down - they've already primed themselves by taking more control of goods or having done so while the tariffs are still active. Its a means of control. I expect a wave of corporate consolidation happening soon across most sectors that will be driven by this outlook
    - pstuart 1y ago
      Absolutely agree. They want to replace income taxes with tariffs, because rich people. The last tax cut promised to create jobs but (surprised pikachu face) instead went to stock buybacks.
blitzar 1y ago
The Rest of the World are back. You have had your day. Just takes time, patience, studied observation and after all, my house has been standing longer than your country has existed. We have a long memory.
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  And you should have a long memory. That's how a nation looks after its own interests. As I implied in my original comment, I applaud and admire that about these foreign agencies. Also, many nations do have houses older than the US. My compliments to your ancient engineers. Time will tell how long ours will last. I would caution however that, unless I miss my guess, I suspect we both know ours will outlast the surrogates currently being used to leave digital gifts in our systems.

pstuart 1y ago

> I don't think DOGE is about saving money. It's about some kind of ideological purge, intimidation, and possibly gathering data You are not alone in this assumption, they've made it clear from the outset via Project 2025. They want to dismantle the government and sell it off to their friends. It's a pity too, in that we should be continuously trying to make government more cost effective. It's one of the countless missteps of the Dems to not do this themselves (but in the right way: provide valuable services while trimming waste). Another misstep is in not educating the public on the value the public gets from the tax dollars spent.

no_wizard 1y ago
>provide valuable services while trimming waste I'm going to zero in on the issue with this. The way unions exist in the US is not conductive to smart reforms. We have structured labor relations in the US to be as hostile as possible which makes them as hard as possible. This was deliberate, going back to the Pinkerton era. Since certain standards were enacted that prevented violent strikebreaking, business owners needed an enemy, and by making these negotiations as fraught as possible, they are able to go to the public and thereby politicians, and plead their case about how damaging unions are to the economy, even though businesses themselves have conducted themselves in such a manner and supported legislation that makes it this way Thereby, any attempts at reform - which will likely mean eliminating or retraining positions - typically only comes when all austerity measures come, which by then is too late or useful to be meaningful, and often due to reactionary and hurried processes of enactment, are not well thought out, trimming too much or too little and not much in between. If we had a sane labor relations paradigm we could do more here and it would benefit everyone - the tax payer and the workers - without inducing undue harm. This stretches into private industry as well. Labor relations are incredibly adversarial there too. I do want to also point out, that the reason its this way is due to businesses (and by proxy, pro business politicians) being unwilling to compromise and fighting labor tooth and nail, even in 2025, which has set the historical tone for these situations. Had businesses been more reasonable during the Pinkerton era organized labor would be healthier than it is now for both sides. If we had things like sectorial bargaining and a better overall organized labor system, I think the US wouldn't have such tension in achieving smart reforms
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