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This would be pretty sad if she did help him evade ICE. He was in court for battery charges and in the country illegally. ICE arresting him does not interfere w

This would be pretty sad if she did help him evade ICE. He was in court for battery charges and in the country illegally. ICE arresting him does not interfere with any due process. Which he 100% needs to get (but arresting him is still part of that). What is left here thats worth protecting? Not someone we want in the country and the agents had a warrant for his arrest (court comes after that). I feel like this is a serious own-goal by the people opposing this. Read the complaint corroborated by witnesses - she clearly did help him evade arrest: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.111629/gov.uscourts.wied.111629.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11...

sarlalian 2y ago
There is nothing in any of the articles indicating he was here illegally. He's referred to in all the articles I've read as an immigrant. Not as illegal or undocumented. It's also reasonable to point out that removing someones legal immigration status, due to being "charged" with a crime, is a seriously slippery slope.
- nonethewiser 2y ago
  >He's referred to in all the articles I've read as an immigrant. Well that just say everything about the articles you've been reading, doesnt it? >Agents from the United States Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”), Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations (“ICE ERO”) identified Flores-Ruiz as an individual who was not lawfully in the United States. A review of Flores-Ruiz’s Alien Registration File (“A-File”) indicated that Flores-Ruiz is a native and citizen of Mexico and that Flores-Ruiz had been issued an I-860 Notice and Order of Expedited Removal by United States Border Patrol Agents on January 16, 2013, and that Flores-Ruiz was thereafter removed to Mexico through the Nogales, Arizona, Port of Entry. There is no evidence in the AFile or DHS indices indicating that Flores-Ruiz sought or obtained permission to return to the United States https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.111629/gov.uscourts.wied.111629.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11... I fully support him getting due process. But arresting him is part of that. >It's also reasonable to point out that removing someones legal immigration status Where did that happen?
- prasadjoglekar 2y ago
  Agents from the United States Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”), Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations (“ICE ERO”) identified Flores-Ruiz as an individual who was not lawfully in the United States. A review of Flores-Ruiz’s Alien Registration File (“A-File”) indicated that Flores-Ruiz is a native and citizen of Mexico and that Flores-Ruiz had been issued an I-860 Notice and Order of Expedited Removal by United States Border Patrol Agents on January 16, 2013, and that Flores-Ruiz was thereafter removed to Mexico through the Nogales, Arizona, Port of Entry. There is no evidence in the A-File or DHS indices indicating that Flores-Ruiz sought or obtained permission to return to the United States. Sworn affidavit in the complaint against Judge Dugan.
sarlalian 2y ago
I'll correct my previous statement, it does appear in the legal brief about the judge being arrested that he was here illegally. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.111629/gov.uscourts.wied.111629.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11...
- nonethewiser 2y ago
  So the articles you read were.... imprecise, at best.
FireBeyond 2y ago
> He was in court for battery charges Oh I’m sorry, I misread, I thought you said he had been convicted of something. The law is very important to you when it’s a misdemeanor immigration offense but that whole innocent till proven guilty thing is just an inconvenience.
- nonethewiser 2y ago
  I dont understand what you mean by your comment. He was arrested for being in the country illegally. The way this is supposed to work is: 1) you get a warrant, 2) then you make the arrest, and 3) the person gets due process in court. We finished 2 and we definitely need 3. If we dont we have a problem. But what they did so far was correct. He also was in court for battery. It seems like you're implying that since battery is not illegal entry that he couldn't be arrested. ??? If anything thats just another good reason not to aid his unlawful presence in the country.
  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    Like I said, as someone who has been charged for something I factually did not do, you’re just parroting the Trump line, “these are bad people, criminals”. He may well have committed battery. But again, not convicted. But hey, go ahead and assume criminality. Why even bother with court?
    - nonethewiser 2y ago
      >you’re just parroting the Trump line, “these are bad people, criminals”. They got a warrant based on evidence that he entered illegally then arrested him. That's following the process. We can argue if showing up in court for battery charges is a good look. But it has nothing to do with whether or not ICE could arrest him.
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        Don’t backpedal, “we can argue if it’s a good look”. You are the one who brought up the battery charges in the sense of “look at the kind of person she’s helping evade ICE”.

sarlalian 2y ago

There is nothing in any of the articles indicating he was here illegally. He's referred to in all the articles I've read as an immigrant. Not as illegal or undocumented. It's also reasonable to point out that removing someones legal immigration status, due to being "charged" with a crime, is a seriously slippery slope.

nonethewiser 2y ago
>He's referred to in all the articles I've read as an immigrant. Well that just say everything about the articles you've been reading, doesnt it? >Agents from the United States Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”), Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations (“ICE ERO”) identified Flores-Ruiz as an individual who was not lawfully in the United States. A review of Flores-Ruiz’s Alien Registration File (“A-File”) indicated that Flores-Ruiz is a native and citizen of Mexico and that Flores-Ruiz had been issued an I-860 Notice and Order of Expedited Removal by United States Border Patrol Agents on January 16, 2013, and that Flores-Ruiz was thereafter removed to Mexico through the Nogales, Arizona, Port of Entry. There is no evidence in the AFile or DHS indices indicating that Flores-Ruiz sought or obtained permission to return to the United States https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.111629/gov.uscourts.wied.111629.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11... I fully support him getting due process. But arresting him is part of that. >It's also reasonable to point out that removing someones legal immigration status Where did that happen?
prasadjoglekar 2y ago
Agents from the United States Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”), Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations (“ICE ERO”) identified Flores-Ruiz as an individual who was not lawfully in the United States. A review of Flores-Ruiz’s Alien Registration File (“A-File”) indicated that Flores-Ruiz is a native and citizen of Mexico and that Flores-Ruiz had been issued an I-860 Notice and Order of Expedited Removal by United States Border Patrol Agents on January 16, 2013, and that Flores-Ruiz was thereafter removed to Mexico through the Nogales, Arizona, Port of Entry. There is no evidence in the A-File or DHS indices indicating that Flores-Ruiz sought or obtained permission to return to the United States. Sworn affidavit in the complaint against Judge Dugan.

sarlalian 2y ago

I'll correct my previous statement, it does appear in the legal brief about the judge being arrested that he was here illegally. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.111629/gov.uscourts.wied.111629.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11...

nonethewiser 2y ago
So the articles you read were.... imprecise, at best.

FireBeyond 2y ago

> He was in court for battery charges Oh I’m sorry, I misread, I thought you said he had been convicted of something. The law is very important to you when it’s a misdemeanor immigration offense but that whole innocent till proven guilty thing is just an inconvenience.

nonethewiser 2y ago
I dont understand what you mean by your comment. He was arrested for being in the country illegally. The way this is supposed to work is: 1) you get a warrant, 2) then you make the arrest, and 3) the person gets due process in court. We finished 2 and we definitely need 3. If we dont we have a problem. But what they did so far was correct. He also was in court for battery. It seems like you're implying that since battery is not illegal entry that he couldn't be arrested. ??? If anything thats just another good reason not to aid his unlawful presence in the country.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  Like I said, as someone who has been charged for something I factually did not do, you’re just parroting the Trump line, “these are bad people, criminals”. He may well have committed battery. But again, not convicted. But hey, go ahead and assume criminality. Why even bother with court?
  - nonethewiser 2y ago
    >you’re just parroting the Trump line, “these are bad people, criminals”. They got a warrant based on evidence that he entered illegally then arrested him. That's following the process. We can argue if showing up in court for battery charges is a good look. But it has nothing to do with whether or not ICE could arrest him.
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      Don’t backpedal, “we can argue if it’s a good look”. You are the one who brought up the battery charges in the sense of “look at the kind of person she’s helping evade ICE”.