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What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI?

chii 1y ago
There are still blacksmiths today, selling artisanal products. I dont believe it to be any different with the advent of AGI. What you don't get of course, is the economic benefit of previously.
- voidspark 1y ago
  If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.
  - Juliate 1y ago
    You don't need "companies". You need enough customers to buy/support your work so that you get a living out of it. Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it that the most efficient AI today cannot do alone. And AGI is still far on the horizon, if not a mirage.
    - voidspark 1y ago
      Hey we're talking about a future scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human, and can do it much cheaper than current developer salaries. We're talking about science fiction which may become true much sooner than most people expect. I would be competing with cheap AGI services so it makes no difference whether I am a freelancer or not. > Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it The non-development parts of my job are not interesting at all. If that's gone then my career is finished. I'm done.
      - chii 1y ago
        > scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development, and those who were doing it would necessarily be the economic sacrifices. This has happened to many industries before, and shall continue to happen to others. I don't think there's any necessity to stop it - just ease the transition via taxpayer funded schemes. However, none of this stops anyone from persuing an artisanal craft - because otherwise, they would be persuing it for economic reasons rather than artistic reasons.
        voidspark 1y ago
        > then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development Then you could argue that humans won't "deserve" to exist when aliens show up with superior military technology. This isn't a matter of technology becoming obsolete. It's a matter of human beings becoming obsolete.
        Juliate 1y ago
        No need to call to aliens for that, this happened within human history several times... towards other humans, and towards other species (which some were considered as pest, until it was discovered they were crucial to the ecosystem balance). That's definitely where the danger of some AI builders is, one more example of how technology _is political_ and the reason it's not so surprising some tech leaders are totally aligned with Trump/Project 2025 (if not funding it). (all while there is a _real_, _documented_, _non fictional_, _short term_ ubiquitous threat that is global climate change)
      - SirMaster 1y ago
        You sound really jaded and close minded to me in your posts. If AI replaces software development, the only reason you are "done" is because you are jaded and close minded and seemingly unwilling to adapt to the world and life.
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  - balfirevic 1y ago
    > What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI? > If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Do you want to have a software developer career for the sake of having a software developer career (because you enjoy it), or are you worried about your livelihood?
    - voidspark 1y ago
      It's what I've always been interested in doing, and it's how I make a living. I don't want free money just handed out like UBI. That would be depressing. I also don't want retirement. Many people don't want to be forced into early retirement.
  - SirMaster 1y ago
    Use your imagination a little... There are endless things you can do. I don't understand this mindset. Especially if you are intelligent enough to be a competent software developer, you have the capacity to do a LOT or at least in my experience you probably do.
    - voidspark 1y ago
      I am using my imagination. I am talking about a future scenario where the value of human labour drops to zero. ASI. Artificial Super Intelligence. All jobs replaced by machines. Many people derive a sense of purpose from their hard work, skill mastery, and its contribution to society.
paulluuk 1y ago
It depends; if you do that job or career for fun, then keep doing it! If you do that job because you like contributing to society and not because you like the job itself, then find another way to contribute to society. Even in a scenario where all jobs are taken by AGI (a utopia if we can get rid of capitalism and wealth, but a dystopia if the billionaire class is the only one that benefits), you could do something as profound as raising children, or something as social as organizing music and art festivals.

chii 1y ago

There are still blacksmiths today, selling artisanal products. I dont believe it to be any different with the advent of AGI. What you don't get of course, is the economic benefit of previously.

voidspark 1y ago
If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.
- Juliate 1y ago
  You don't need "companies". You need enough customers to buy/support your work so that you get a living out of it. Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it that the most efficient AI today cannot do alone. And AGI is still far on the horizon, if not a mirage.
  - voidspark 1y ago
    Hey we're talking about a future scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human, and can do it much cheaper than current developer salaries. We're talking about science fiction which may become true much sooner than most people expect. I would be competing with cheap AGI services so it makes no difference whether I am a freelancer or not. > Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it The non-development parts of my job are not interesting at all. If that's gone then my career is finished. I'm done.
    - chii 1y ago
      > scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development, and those who were doing it would necessarily be the economic sacrifices. This has happened to many industries before, and shall continue to happen to others. I don't think there's any necessity to stop it - just ease the transition via taxpayer funded schemes. However, none of this stops anyone from persuing an artisanal craft - because otherwise, they would be persuing it for economic reasons rather than artistic reasons.
      - voidspark 1y ago
        > then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development Then you could argue that humans won't "deserve" to exist when aliens show up with superior military technology. This isn't a matter of technology becoming obsolete. It's a matter of human beings becoming obsolete.
        Juliate 1y ago
        No need to call to aliens for that, this happened within human history several times... towards other humans, and towards other species (which some were considered as pest, until it was discovered they were crucial to the ecosystem balance). That's definitely where the danger of some AI builders is, one more example of how technology _is political_ and the reason it's not so surprising some tech leaders are totally aligned with Trump/Project 2025 (if not funding it). (all while there is a _real_, _documented_, _non fictional_, _short term_ ubiquitous threat that is global climate change)
    - SirMaster 1y ago
      You sound really jaded and close minded to me in your posts. If AI replaces software development, the only reason you are "done" is because you are jaded and close minded and seemingly unwilling to adapt to the world and life.
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- balfirevic 1y ago
  > What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI? > If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Do you want to have a software developer career for the sake of having a software developer career (because you enjoy it), or are you worried about your livelihood?
  - voidspark 1y ago
    It's what I've always been interested in doing, and it's how I make a living. I don't want free money just handed out like UBI. That would be depressing. I also don't want retirement. Many people don't want to be forced into early retirement.
- SirMaster 1y ago
  Use your imagination a little... There are endless things you can do. I don't understand this mindset. Especially if you are intelligent enough to be a competent software developer, you have the capacity to do a LOT or at least in my experience you probably do.
  - voidspark 1y ago
    I am using my imagination. I am talking about a future scenario where the value of human labour drops to zero. ASI. Artificial Super Intelligence. All jobs replaced by machines. Many people derive a sense of purpose from their hard work, skill mastery, and its contribution to society.

paulluuk 1y ago

It depends; if you do that job or career for fun, then keep doing it! If you do that job because you like contributing to society and not because you like the job itself, then find another way to contribute to society. Even in a scenario where all jobs are taken by AGI (a utopia if we can get rid of capitalism and wealth, but a dystopia if the billionaire class is the only one that benefits), you could do something as profound as raising children, or something as social as organizing music and art festivals.