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worik 2y ago
That seems far fetched, I hope it is But given that autism seems largely genetic in origin, and RFK has promised a cure, then eugenics is not far fetched
- viraptor 2y ago
  Every week a far fetched thing happens for the last few months. Somehow people keep saying the far fetched things will not continue to get too evil...
- cratermoon 2y ago
  > That seems far fetched "It can't happen here"
- voidspark 2y ago
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  - viraptor 2y ago
    The rate of autism DIAGNOSIS has increased Before we had lots of people who everyone knew were "a bit weird".
    - voidspark 2y ago
      That's a meme, not based in reality or scientific data. If that was true, then 70 year olds would have the same increase in autism diagnosis, but they have not. Nonverbal autism has increased significantly, by at least one order of magnitude. There is no way anyone could have missed that.
      - kadoban 2y ago
        ~Nobody is diagnosing 70 year olds. Children get looked at _far_ more than anyone else, anyone older that would have been diagnosed has learned to cope, died or been written off by society in one way or another.
        voidspark 2y ago
        I am talking about severe cases where they need full time care for their entire life. Nonverbal. Obvious. Impossible to miss. Autism ranges from mild to extremely severe.
        saxonww 2y ago
        I think the answer to your question is that most people impacted to the severe degree you're imagining don't live till 70. I don't know what the condition was, but I had an aunt who was affected by 'something' and was disabled in many of the same ways you imagine; she was nonverbal and needed full time care from a young age. She lived to 43, and towards the end they had to put in a feeding tube for her. I have a couple of questions for you: 1. Have you ever personally seen a 'severe case' of autism where someone needs full time care for their entire life? Where are you getting your information about the degree and prevalence of this? 2. Putting "cases are clearly on the rise" alongside "where are the 70 year old severely autistic people" implies that you (via RFK Jr.) think that the number of severe cases is on the rise, not just that more people are being diagnosed with some level of autism. Do you know severe cases are on the rise, or are you (or RFK Jr.) just making some assumptions? The reason I ask #2 is that the 'severe autism' we're imagining in this narrative would be, as you point out, obvious. But what if our understanding of symptoms has gotten better, and we're diagnosing more not-obvious cases, i.e. not severe cases. Please keep in mind that the first person officially diagnosed with autism only died a couple of years ago. Donald Triplett. He lived to be 89, by the way.
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  - Vortigaunt 2y ago
    If we were back in the 1930's would you be worrying about the rate[0] of people being diagnosed with left-handedness?[1] [0]https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1186%2Fs13690-023-01156-6/MediaObjects/13690_2023_1156_Fig2_HTML.png https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image... [1]https://archpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13690-023-01156-6 https://archpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/...
    - voidspark 2y ago
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- cjbgkagh 2y ago
  I have autism and in my case it’s clearly genetic given that I also have hEDS which is a common comorbidity that is autosomal dominant. The RCCX genetic theory of giftedness does appear to explain what I’ve been about to observe in myself and others. I’m less familiar with the more extreme levels of dysfunctional autism. On one had the poor health sucks, on the other hand being gifted is pretty fun. With the less severe cases that I’m more familiar with I think it is largely treatable, I’m on a long list of meds that have been pretty effective for me. It would be great the end result of this initiative would be the spreading of existing knowledge and the creation of new knowledge. With modern understanding of medicine and genetics people can be helped in ways they could not have been before - which would obviate the need for eugenics.

That seems far fetched, I hope it is But given that autism seems largely genetic in origin, and RFK has promised a cure, then eugenics is not far fetched

viraptor 2y ago
Every week a far fetched thing happens for the last few months. Somehow people keep saying the far fetched things will not continue to get too evil...
cratermoon 2y ago
> That seems far fetched "It can't happen here"
voidspark 2y ago
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- viraptor 2y ago
  The rate of autism DIAGNOSIS has increased Before we had lots of people who everyone knew were "a bit weird".
  - voidspark 2y ago
    That's a meme, not based in reality or scientific data. If that was true, then 70 year olds would have the same increase in autism diagnosis, but they have not. Nonverbal autism has increased significantly, by at least one order of magnitude. There is no way anyone could have missed that.
    - kadoban 2y ago
      ~Nobody is diagnosing 70 year olds. Children get looked at _far_ more than anyone else, anyone older that would have been diagnosed has learned to cope, died or been written off by society in one way or another.
      - voidspark 2y ago
        I am talking about severe cases where they need full time care for their entire life. Nonverbal. Obvious. Impossible to miss. Autism ranges from mild to extremely severe.
        saxonww 2y ago
        I think the answer to your question is that most people impacted to the severe degree you're imagining don't live till 70. I don't know what the condition was, but I had an aunt who was affected by 'something' and was disabled in many of the same ways you imagine; she was nonverbal and needed full time care from a young age. She lived to 43, and towards the end they had to put in a feeding tube for her. I have a couple of questions for you: 1. Have you ever personally seen a 'severe case' of autism where someone needs full time care for their entire life? Where are you getting your information about the degree and prevalence of this? 2. Putting "cases are clearly on the rise" alongside "where are the 70 year old severely autistic people" implies that you (via RFK Jr.) think that the number of severe cases is on the rise, not just that more people are being diagnosed with some level of autism. Do you know severe cases are on the rise, or are you (or RFK Jr.) just making some assumptions? The reason I ask #2 is that the 'severe autism' we're imagining in this narrative would be, as you point out, obvious. But what if our understanding of symptoms has gotten better, and we're diagnosing more not-obvious cases, i.e. not severe cases. Please keep in mind that the first person officially diagnosed with autism only died a couple of years ago. Donald Triplett. He lived to be 89, by the way.
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- Vortigaunt 2y ago
  If we were back in the 1930's would you be worrying about the rate[0] of people being diagnosed with left-handedness?[1] [0]https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1186%2Fs13690-023-01156-6/MediaObjects/13690_2023_1156_Fig2_HTML.png https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image... [1]https://archpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13690-023-01156-6 https://archpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/...
  - voidspark 2y ago
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cjbgkagh 2y ago
I have autism and in my case it’s clearly genetic given that I also have hEDS which is a common comorbidity that is autosomal dominant. The RCCX genetic theory of giftedness does appear to explain what I’ve been about to observe in myself and others. I’m less familiar with the more extreme levels of dysfunctional autism. On one had the poor health sucks, on the other hand being gifted is pretty fun. With the less severe cases that I’m more familiar with I think it is largely treatable, I’m on a long list of meds that have been pretty effective for me. It would be great the end result of this initiative would be the spreading of existing knowledge and the creation of new knowledge. With modern understanding of medicine and genetics people can be helped in ways they could not have been before - which would obviate the need for eugenics.