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Build it, please. The lack of affordable EVs in the US is depressing.

by omgwtfbyobbq 1y ago

Ancalagon 1y ago
Have you seen the used Tesla market lately?
- bsder 1y ago
  Yeah, but have you seen the Tesla repair parts prices? Buying a used car presupposes the ability to service it.
- pazimzadeh 1y ago
  how much of the original range do they retain? you have to consider the price a new tesla battery (between $12,000 and $15,000)
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-deterioration https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-d... I bet they have more than half the original range, so I don't have to consider a new battery at all.
    - pazimzadeh 1y ago
      tesla inflates their range estimates until the battery is half empty: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-ba... Idle draw/phantom drain of 5-10% a day seems like a common complaint with Teslas as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43314781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43314781 I personally don't want to be left holding the bag on a used battery since I like the option traveling long distance without stopping, but obviously it's your choice.
      - Dylan16807 1y ago
        > tesla inflates their range estimates until the battery is half empty Yes, but I don't think it's enough to affect this comparison. > I personally don't want to be left holding the bag on a used battery since I like the option traveling long distance without stopping, but obviously it's your choice. The point is we're comparing against a car that has 150 miles of range brand new, 120 or less by the time you'd replace its battery. A Tesla battery at 60% is still better. > Idle draw/phantom drain of 5-10% a day seems like a common complaint with Teslas as wel That's a more serious problem, among many others. I'm not advocating one way or the other, just focusing on range.
        omgwtfbyobbq 1y ago
        I have a Model 3, and phantom drain is virtually non-existent. Like anything used, or new, what you'll get is random. In general, Tesla seems to have their batteries sorted out compared to other manufacturers, but you can be unlucky. The accuracy of range varies a bit, like most cars. If you have your foot in it, you'll do worse, and if you drive efficiently you'll do better.
- omgwtfbyobbq 1y ago
  Prices are great on used 3/Y, but no one is offering an affordable pickup yet.

Build it, please. The lack of affordable EVs in the US is depressing.

Ancalagon 1y ago

Have you seen the used Tesla market lately?

bsder 1y ago
Yeah, but have you seen the Tesla repair parts prices? Buying a used car presupposes the ability to service it.
pazimzadeh 1y ago
how much of the original range do they retain? you have to consider the price a new tesla battery (between $12,000 and $15,000)
- Dylan16807 1y ago
  https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-deterioration https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-d... I bet they have more than half the original range, so I don't have to consider a new battery at all.
  - pazimzadeh 1y ago
    tesla inflates their range estimates until the battery is half empty: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-ba... Idle draw/phantom drain of 5-10% a day seems like a common complaint with Teslas as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43314781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43314781 I personally don't want to be left holding the bag on a used battery since I like the option traveling long distance without stopping, but obviously it's your choice.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      > tesla inflates their range estimates until the battery is half empty Yes, but I don't think it's enough to affect this comparison. > I personally don't want to be left holding the bag on a used battery since I like the option traveling long distance without stopping, but obviously it's your choice. The point is we're comparing against a car that has 150 miles of range brand new, 120 or less by the time you'd replace its battery. A Tesla battery at 60% is still better. > Idle draw/phantom drain of 5-10% a day seems like a common complaint with Teslas as wel That's a more serious problem, among many others. I'm not advocating one way or the other, just focusing on range.
      - omgwtfbyobbq 1y ago
        I have a Model 3, and phantom drain is virtually non-existent. Like anything used, or new, what you'll get is random. In general, Tesla seems to have their batteries sorted out compared to other manufacturers, but you can be unlucky. The accuracy of range varies a bit, like most cars. If you have your foot in it, you'll do worse, and if you drive efficiently you'll do better.
omgwtfbyobbq 1y ago
Prices are great on used 3/Y, but no one is offering an affordable pickup yet.