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> VSCode is Android Yes, an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to fulfill some purist fantasy.

by amadeuspagel 1y ago

dizhn 1y ago
Like have a working keyboard?
- JLCarveth 1y ago
  My android phone doesn't have a working keyboard?
  - 3np 1y ago
    You use stock Android Open Source keyboard, not closed-sourced Gboard? Can you type in Chinese?
    - blackoil 1y ago
      China doesn't uses Google services. Am sure they can type in Chinese.
      - jhanschoo 1y ago
        Those Android phones are loaded with their manufacturer's Chinese IME, not a completely open-source one.
      - numpad0 1y ago
        CJK languages need language-specific AI conversion engines for any kind of typing. Which OSS versions exist for Japanese, I don't know for Chineses(CN/HK/TW - IIUC they're slightly divergent beyond fonts).
- charcircuit 1y ago
  Components that are not used, that almost always get replaced by vendors do not get much love. That the base AOSP should be optimized to use out of the box is a purist fantasy. In reality AOSP is made with the understanding that vendors are going to customize it. A lot of Android is designed to be modular, you can easily install a different keyboard app.
throwup238 1y ago
> Yes, an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to fulfill some purist fantasy. Yes, a purist fantasy of an open source project that functions without closed source proprietary blobs. Oh, the horror! Won't somebody think of the children!?
goku12 1y ago
I would immediately jump ship if I could buy a phone that supports a truly free OS. Instead, I'm stuck with an option between a reasonably-secure, but completely locked-down phone (both hardware and software) with an exorbitant life-long cost and semi-locked-down phones with a pseudo-FOSS OS, whose main business is to my leak personal data for a dozen companies. Honestly, the only reason why Android (and iOS) reign unchallenged is because of their iron grip over the hardware ecosystem.
- teddyh 1y ago
  > I would immediately jump ship if I could buy a phone that supports a truly free OS. Is your definition of “Phone” equivalent to “must run apps (non-emulated) for iPhone and/or Android”? Otherwise, I mean, these things do exist: <https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/>
  - goku12 1y ago
    My definition of a phone platform is that a reasonable app ecosystem must exist. Or at least the ability to easily develop the ones I need - I don't mind developing for my needs. If a more secure phone without a substantial app ecosystem is enough, then a feature phone would be fine. Librem phone unfortunately doesn't meet that requirement. The difficulty is that even many essential service APIs are not open to alternative implementations.
tuyiown 1y ago
I've yet to see any immense success based on the open source part of android. Its value and main goal is to suffocate any initiative on mobile space, call it immense if you will, but I concede it certainly works.
- genewitch 1y ago
  We can't possibly be Anti-competitive! We give it away for free! "
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p0w3n3d 1y ago
an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to be open source

> VSCode is Android Yes, an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to fulfill some purist fantasy.

dizhn 1y ago

Like have a working keyboard?

JLCarveth 1y ago
My android phone doesn't have a working keyboard?
- 3np 1y ago
  You use stock Android Open Source keyboard, not closed-sourced Gboard? Can you type in Chinese?
  - blackoil 1y ago
    China doesn't uses Google services. Am sure they can type in Chinese.
    - jhanschoo 1y ago
      Those Android phones are loaded with their manufacturer's Chinese IME, not a completely open-source one.
    - numpad0 1y ago
      CJK languages need language-specific AI conversion engines for any kind of typing. Which OSS versions exist for Japanese, I don't know for Chineses(CN/HK/TW - IIUC they're slightly divergent beyond fonts).
charcircuit 1y ago
Components that are not used, that almost always get replaced by vendors do not get much love. That the base AOSP should be optimized to use out of the box is a purist fantasy. In reality AOSP is made with the understanding that vendors are going to customize it. A lot of Android is designed to be modular, you can easily install a different keyboard app.

throwup238 1y ago

> Yes, an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to fulfill some purist fantasy. Yes, a purist fantasy of an open source project that functions without closed source proprietary blobs. Oh, the horror! Won't somebody think of the children!?

goku12 1y ago

I would immediately jump ship if I could buy a phone that supports a truly free OS. Instead, I'm stuck with an option between a reasonably-secure, but completely locked-down phone (both hardware and software) with an exorbitant life-long cost and semi-locked-down phones with a pseudo-FOSS OS, whose main business is to my leak personal data for a dozen companies. Honestly, the only reason why Android (and iOS) reign unchallenged is because of their iron grip over the hardware ecosystem.

teddyh 1y ago
> I would immediately jump ship if I could buy a phone that supports a truly free OS. Is your definition of “Phone” equivalent to “must run apps (non-emulated) for iPhone and/or Android”? Otherwise, I mean, these things do exist: <https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/>
- goku12 1y ago
  My definition of a phone platform is that a reasonable app ecosystem must exist. Or at least the ability to easily develop the ones I need - I don't mind developing for my needs. If a more secure phone without a substantial app ecosystem is enough, then a feature phone would be fine. Librem phone unfortunately doesn't meet that requirement. The difficulty is that even many essential service APIs are not open to alternative implementations.

tuyiown 1y ago

I've yet to see any immense success based on the open source part of android. Its value and main goal is to suffocate any initiative on mobile space, call it immense if you will, but I concede it certainly works.

genewitch 1y ago
We can't possibly be Anti-competitive! We give it away for free! "

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p0w3n3d 1y ago

an open source project that creates immense value, but fails to be open source