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> that used to design terrible UIs before the field got a welcome injection of professionals Care to precise when was that? I sort of miss how things were des

> that used to design terrible UIs before the field got a welcome injection of professionals Care to precise when was that? I sort of miss how things were design, say, back in late 90s or early 2000s. Despite looking janky, functionality was actually easily accessible. Nowadays things may look sleek, but this comes at the price of functionality being hidden in arcane settings submenus, hamburger icons that expand, etc and so forth. I may have misinterpreted what you meant by the "welcome injection of professionals", I just hope those professionals are not the ones to have defined the tenets of how things are designed nowdays.

bitpush 2y ago
> I sort of miss how things were design, say, back in late 90s or early 2000s. Whether you intended or not, unfortunately this shows your bias, privilege and lack of perspective Tech has become incredibly accessible, inclusive and mainstream because of the research and hard work of UI/UX disciplines. The very site you're using is a benefactor of that. I encourage you to talk to your users (if you are in a position) or folks who are less fortunate than yourself and see how this "bad design" is changing their lives.
- surgical_fire 2y ago
  You are talking to a user, and just dismissed his points without addressing anything by vaguely gesturing to other hypothetical users. You see, as a developer I use things such as laptops, IDEs, spreadsheets and so on. They are all meaningfully worse nowadays because of something I consider a cardinal sin of design - "style over substance". In order to make things look pretty and sleek, functionality and usability is sacrificed. Like it or not, you are the one speaking from a position of privilege, defending the indefensible by issuing non-statements, and disregarding valid points brought fourth by users.
  - groby_b 2y ago
    This. So much this. And this extends far beyond developers. Talk to actual users, ask them what they actually think about modern UI. And then don't dismiss it as "learning effect" or "change aversion" or "requires habituation", but actually listen. Moderny mystery meat UIs are not as much of a success as thought leaders proclaim.

bitpush 2y ago

> I sort of miss how things were design, say, back in late 90s or early 2000s. Whether you intended or not, unfortunately this shows your bias, privilege and lack of perspective Tech has become incredibly accessible, inclusive and mainstream because of the research and hard work of UI/UX disciplines. The very site you're using is a benefactor of that. I encourage you to talk to your users (if you are in a position) or folks who are less fortunate than yourself and see how this "bad design" is changing their lives.

surgical_fire 2y ago
You are talking to a user, and just dismissed his points without addressing anything by vaguely gesturing to other hypothetical users. You see, as a developer I use things such as laptops, IDEs, spreadsheets and so on. They are all meaningfully worse nowadays because of something I consider a cardinal sin of design - "style over substance". In order to make things look pretty and sleek, functionality and usability is sacrificed. Like it or not, you are the one speaking from a position of privilege, defending the indefensible by issuing non-statements, and disregarding valid points brought fourth by users.
- groby_b 2y ago
  This. So much this. And this extends far beyond developers. Talk to actual users, ask them what they actually think about modern UI. And then don't dismiss it as "learning effect" or "change aversion" or "requires habituation", but actually listen. Moderny mystery meat UIs are not as much of a success as thought leaders proclaim.