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> They are adept at malicious compliance. They just got fined 500 millions for failure to comply so I'm not sure adept is the adjective I would use.

weavie 2y ago
500 million is like half a days revenue.
- mdhb 2y ago
  The actual fines for this moving forward are up to 10% of a companies global revenue. The EU made a big point to say that this is the first time they are issuing those fines and as a result they are smaller than they otherwise would be especially in the case of repeat offenders.
serial_dev 2y ago
Whether it's adept or not depends on what would have happened if they actually complied. Sure, a half a billion fine sounds like a lot, but if you don't have another number to compare against, you can't tell if it was clever or not.
_Algernon_ 2y ago
How much additional profit have they made based on their malicious compliance? I bet it dwarfs this fine.
- myrmidon 2y ago
  That is not so clear. Appstore revenue is ~ $100 billion/y, but Apple makes less than 30% from that. So the question is: Would more convincing compliance have cost Apple more than single digit percentage decreases in Appstore sales? Comparing the F-Droid vs Playstore situation, this seems unlikely to me.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Apple’s take is 30%, but they have expenses that have to be covered by that. The profit if any would be much less than $30bn.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      > The profit if any would be much less than $30bn. It doesn't cost that much to maintain and run the appstore, it is almost all profits.
      - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        You are trying to tell me that credit card processing fees are negligible, software engineers work for free, advertising doesn’t require overhead, etc… I guess that kind of thinking that everything is basically free is why alot of startups just fail so easily.
        immibis 2y ago
        None of them are close to 30 billion!!!
        seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        Your profit is whatever your revenue minus costs. Plenty of app stores have operated in the red that we know this isn’t trivial to get right. It definitely is nowhere near negligible as patent asserted. I’m frustrated by how dumb HN is getting lately.
        immibis 2y ago
        You are trying to tell me that all of that stuff combined makes up more than a small fraction of $30 billion per year.
    - pornel 2y ago
oofManBang 2y ago
Perhaps "compliance" is the wrong term, but surely such a tiny fine will do little to convince them to comply.
- gebruikersnaam 2y ago
  They have a couple of months (2? 6?) to comply, otherwise they get additional fines.

weavie 2y ago

500 million is like half a days revenue.

mdhb 2y ago
The actual fines for this moving forward are up to 10% of a companies global revenue. The EU made a big point to say that this is the first time they are issuing those fines and as a result they are smaller than they otherwise would be especially in the case of repeat offenders.

serial_dev 2y ago

Whether it's adept or not depends on what would have happened if they actually complied. Sure, a half a billion fine sounds like a lot, but if you don't have another number to compare against, you can't tell if it was clever or not.

_Algernon_ 2y ago

How much additional profit have they made based on their malicious compliance? I bet it dwarfs this fine.

myrmidon 2y ago
That is not so clear. Appstore revenue is ~ $100 billion/y, but Apple makes less than 30% from that. So the question is: Would more convincing compliance have cost Apple more than single digit percentage decreases in Appstore sales? Comparing the F-Droid vs Playstore situation, this seems unlikely to me.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Apple’s take is 30%, but they have expenses that have to be covered by that. The profit if any would be much less than $30bn.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > The profit if any would be much less than $30bn. It doesn't cost that much to maintain and run the appstore, it is almost all profits.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      You are trying to tell me that credit card processing fees are negligible, software engineers work for free, advertising doesn’t require overhead, etc… I guess that kind of thinking that everything is basically free is why alot of startups just fail so easily.
      - immibis 2y ago
        None of them are close to 30 billion!!!
        seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        Your profit is whatever your revenue minus costs. Plenty of app stores have operated in the red that we know this isn’t trivial to get right. It definitely is nowhere near negligible as patent asserted. I’m frustrated by how dumb HN is getting lately.
        immibis 2y ago
        You are trying to tell me that all of that stuff combined makes up more than a small fraction of $30 billion per year.
  - pornel 2y ago

oofManBang 2y ago

Perhaps "compliance" is the wrong term, but surely such a tiny fine will do little to convince them to comply.

gebruikersnaam 2y ago
They have a couple of months (2? 6?) to comply, otherwise they get additional fines.