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OpenAI tells judge it would buy Chrome from Google

20 points by voxadam 2y ago

ggm 2y ago
Personally I don't regard that as a good safe harbour for that codebase. At this point, if it's not google, who it is would be a good question and if its IPR to the highest bidder, I think we all lost. the nuances of what is being bought are important. Does chromium simply disappear in this model?
- voxadam 2y ago
  I agree, OpenAI is absolutely the wrong company to take over Chrome. I was thinking maybe Cloudflare might be a decent steward of the project/product.
  - kurtoid 2y ago
    Oh no - I could see them do something WEI combined with Turnstile
  - wmf 2y ago
    Cloudflare spends ~$400M/year on R&D while Chrome may be spending almost that much alone. Whoever buys Chrome needs to earn >$1B in revenue from it either directly or through some sort of synergy.
    - ggm 2y ago
      Why does acquisition of chrome demand $1b in revenue as an outcome? Why does chrome demand $400m in input spend ongoing, if it no longer has to deliver Google specific changes? What's braves spend?
      - bitpush 2y ago
        Brave takes open source chromium code, which is majority funded by Google, and adds things on top of it. People underestimate how expensive it is to build a browser. There's a reason why we have only 3 major engines. Firefox (struggling), Chromium (Google backed) and Safari (Apple backed)
        ringeryless 2y ago
        We have made the web far too complicated, and attempted to replicate a world of other programming paradigms into what was intended to be a remote folder browsing API
      - badlucklottery 2y ago
        > Why does chrome demand $400m in input spend ongoing, if it no longer has to deliver Google specific changes? I don't know if it needs $400m but I wouldn't be surprised if it's $20m+ just to keep the browser secure. Google paid out $12m last year in bug bounties and I assume they spend that much or more for in-house security researchers/developers (headcount is expensive) and periodic independent audits of the codebase.
Quitschquat 2y ago
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DrScientist 2y ago
Given OpenAI is 49% owned by Microsoft, effective MS ownership of Chrome doesn't feel like a good anti-trust move.....

20 points by voxadam 2y ago

ggm 2y ago

Personally I don't regard that as a good safe harbour for that codebase. At this point, if it's not google, who it is would be a good question and if its IPR to the highest bidder, I think we all lost. the nuances of what is being bought are important. Does chromium simply disappear in this model?

voxadam 2y ago
I agree, OpenAI is absolutely the wrong company to take over Chrome. I was thinking maybe Cloudflare might be a decent steward of the project/product.
- kurtoid 2y ago
  Oh no - I could see them do something WEI combined with Turnstile
- wmf 2y ago
  Cloudflare spends ~$400M/year on R&D while Chrome may be spending almost that much alone. Whoever buys Chrome needs to earn >$1B in revenue from it either directly or through some sort of synergy.
  - ggm 2y ago
    Why does acquisition of chrome demand $1b in revenue as an outcome? Why does chrome demand $400m in input spend ongoing, if it no longer has to deliver Google specific changes? What's braves spend?
    - bitpush 2y ago
      Brave takes open source chromium code, which is majority funded by Google, and adds things on top of it. People underestimate how expensive it is to build a browser. There's a reason why we have only 3 major engines. Firefox (struggling), Chromium (Google backed) and Safari (Apple backed)
      - ringeryless 2y ago
        We have made the web far too complicated, and attempted to replicate a world of other programming paradigms into what was intended to be a remote folder browsing API
    - badlucklottery 2y ago
      > Why does chrome demand $400m in input spend ongoing, if it no longer has to deliver Google specific changes? I don't know if it needs $400m but I wouldn't be surprised if it's $20m+ just to keep the browser secure. Google paid out $12m last year in bug bounties and I assume they spend that much or more for in-house security researchers/developers (headcount is expensive) and periodic independent audits of the codebase.

Quitschquat 2y ago

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DrScientist 2y ago

Given OpenAI is 49% owned by Microsoft, effective MS ownership of Chrome doesn't feel like a good anti-trust move.....