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Google will keep cookies and skip opt-out option in Chrome

38 points by thm 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago
> The goal of the Privacy Sandbox initiative is to develop new ways to strengthen online privacy while ensuring a sustainable, ad-supported internet. Is any user asking for this?
- Hawkenfall 2y ago
  Nope, this caters to shareholders
- WhatsName 2y ago
  Since Mozilla recently walked back on their claim to not sell data und brave did some shady affiliate tricks, there seems to be not major browser which to trust not to be corrupted by the ad industry.
- decimalenough 2y ago
  Pretty much every website you use that you don't directly pay for us supported by ads. So, yeah.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    You know they did have ads before tracking right? But I have had an ad blocker on my phone for over a decade. Anytime I use a device without an ad blocker - like my wife’s phone - the web is unusable.
AndyMcConachie 2y ago
1999 Do No Evil 2025 Only Do Evil
NoTeslaThrow 2y ago
> The goal of the Privacy Sandbox initiative is to develop new ways to strengthen online privacy while ensuring a sustainable, ad-supported internet. What a joke
prymitive 2y ago
All those companies just want to provide value to users while breaking even on costs, it’s a shame they keep accidentally creating addictive products that break all user promises and keep adding more and more ways to squeeze out extra revenue.
McDyver 2y ago
Ladybird (http://ladybird.org http://ladybird.org) is set to have an alpha version, sometime next year. The project can be supported here: https://donorbox.org/ladybird https://donorbox.org/ladybird
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
Anyone who thinks Google or Chrome is evil has no idea the scope or scale of what/where evil is. You haven't seen anything till you've worked with some of the groups Chrome has to deal with. IAB, & so many other advertising folks are wild & extremely lobbyist happy folks, who absolutely are intent on feeding the public to the wolves. I don't know as much about the UK agencies Google has been wrestling with, but my vague sense is much of the UK has alas undergone severe regulatory capture. Here's the ICO finding in favor of tracking everyone, 'what if personalized ads are what consumers want': https://www.adexchanger.com/privacy/the-uks-data-protection-authority-has-its-eye-on-ad-tech-this-year/ https://www.adexchanger.com/privacy/the-uks-data-protection-... Anyhow, hopefully premature but RIP Privacy Sandbox. Very weird strange attempt. But as has been kind of always evident, 'you're going to miss us when we're gone'. And you could just turn these adverising-only APIs off, where-as third party cookies are deeply enmeshed in actual web flows as well as ads, alas.
- NoTeslaThrow 2y ago
  > Anyone who thinks Google or Chrome is evil has no idea the scope or scale of what/where evil is. There are degrees of evil. I mean sure they're not murdering babies, but they're definitely also not pro-humanity.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  There's not a ton of details, but this thread from someone who helped launch Privacy Sandbox on how vicious the regulatory capture is, how hard it is to get anywhere is was pretty enjoyable for me, https://bsky.app/profile/justinschuh.com/post/3lnig6smpls23 https://bsky.app/profile/justinschuh.com/post/3lnig6smpls23

38 points by thm 2y ago

> The goal of the Privacy Sandbox initiative is to develop new ways to strengthen online privacy while ensuring a sustainable, ad-supported internet. Is any user asking for this?

Hawkenfall 2y ago
Nope, this caters to shareholders
WhatsName 2y ago
Since Mozilla recently walked back on their claim to not sell data und brave did some shady affiliate tricks, there seems to be not major browser which to trust not to be corrupted by the ad industry.
decimalenough 2y ago
Pretty much every website you use that you don't directly pay for us supported by ads. So, yeah.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  You know they did have ads before tracking right? But I have had an ad blocker on my phone for over a decade. Anytime I use a device without an ad blocker - like my wife’s phone - the web is unusable.

AndyMcConachie 2y ago

1999 Do No Evil 2025 Only Do Evil

NoTeslaThrow 2y ago

> The goal of the Privacy Sandbox initiative is to develop new ways to strengthen online privacy while ensuring a sustainable, ad-supported internet. What a joke

prymitive 2y ago

All those companies just want to provide value to users while breaking even on costs, it’s a shame they keep accidentally creating addictive products that break all user promises and keep adding more and more ways to squeeze out extra revenue.

McDyver 2y ago

Ladybird (http://ladybird.org http://ladybird.org) is set to have an alpha version, sometime next year. The project can be supported here: https://donorbox.org/ladybird https://donorbox.org/ladybird

jauntywundrkind 2y ago

Anyone who thinks Google or Chrome is evil has no idea the scope or scale of what/where evil is. You haven't seen anything till you've worked with some of the groups Chrome has to deal with. IAB, & so many other advertising folks are wild & extremely lobbyist happy folks, who absolutely are intent on feeding the public to the wolves. I don't know as much about the UK agencies Google has been wrestling with, but my vague sense is much of the UK has alas undergone severe regulatory capture. Here's the ICO finding in favor of tracking everyone, 'what if personalized ads are what consumers want': https://www.adexchanger.com/privacy/the-uks-data-protection-authority-has-its-eye-on-ad-tech-this-year/ https://www.adexchanger.com/privacy/the-uks-data-protection-... Anyhow, hopefully premature but RIP Privacy Sandbox. Very weird strange attempt. But as has been kind of always evident, 'you're going to miss us when we're gone'. And you could just turn these adverising-only APIs off, where-as third party cookies are deeply enmeshed in actual web flows as well as ads, alas.

NoTeslaThrow 2y ago
> Anyone who thinks Google or Chrome is evil has no idea the scope or scale of what/where evil is. There are degrees of evil. I mean sure they're not murdering babies, but they're definitely also not pro-humanity.
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
There's not a ton of details, but this thread from someone who helped launch Privacy Sandbox on how vicious the regulatory capture is, how hard it is to get anywhere is was pretty enjoyable for me, https://bsky.app/profile/justinschuh.com/post/3lnig6smpls23 https://bsky.app/profile/justinschuh.com/post/3lnig6smpls23