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As a daily full time Windsurf user, I can emphatically state that it is strictly inferior to multiple free/open source tools like Cline and Claude Code that wor
by ramesh31 2y ago
As a daily full time Windsurf user, I can emphatically state that it is strictly inferior to multiple free/open source tools like Cline and Claude Code that work directly with Anthropic/OpenAI keys, no "flow credits" involved.
Good on them for catching the enterprise market, but that's about all it is; an enterprise friendly wrapper for a second-rate VSCode extension.
- victorbjorklund 2y agoClaude code is neither free nor open source.
- ramesh31 2y ago>Claude code is neither free nor open source. "Free" as in no "middleman accounts" or other nonsense. You pay the base token rate directly to Anthropic, and that's it.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago>"Free" as in [.....y]ou pay [...] Possibly the worst comment I've ever read on this site. And, by 'possibly', I mean 'most definitely'.
- ramesh31 2y agoThere's no such thing as "completely free" when it comes to LLM usage. Everyone knows that. But there are two different tiers of tools now. The "free" ones that use API keys directly, and the premium ones like Windsurf that operate on their own credit system. So yes, "free" is a meaningfully useful distinction here, in that you incur no cost for the tool itself.
- lukev 2y agoI mean there are definitely systems that let you hook up to a locally executed LLM, or an arbitrary cloud hosted one that you might either host yourself or pay for separately. So yeah I'd say those are "completely free."
- TiredOfLife 2y agoWindsurf autocomplete is free. No credits or api keys.
- CSMastermind 2y agoClaude Code is basically unusable on Windows even with WSL.