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Most normal people? The implied judgement aside, that is wildly untrue. Most people (80+ % who are not trying for a child) use birth control, this is an easy st

Most normal people? The implied judgement aside, that is wildly untrue. Most people (80+ % who are not trying for a child) use birth control, this is an easy stat to look up. Maybe people “get upset” because you’re making things up?

giantg2 2y ago
I'm not saying it's a very common method (maybe, maybe not), but cycle timing is often included in "birth control" stats and used as a secondary measure with other forms of birth control.
- dalyons 2y ago
  You can just look up these numbers, of various forms of birth control. That exclude cycle timing. And none of them say it’s “most people”. Perhaps some unmeasured population uses it as a secondary method, that’s total speculation and kind of beside the point
  - giantg2 1y ago
    Are we (or the grandparent) talking most people at one point in time, or most people at any time during their life? If it's the latter, then I do think it's a valid claim, but I haven't seen any stats that cover those sorts of numbers. Eg have more than 50% of people in a committed relationship never used the timing method? Most of the couples I am good friends with have used the cycle timing method when they want another kid, want to delay it, but are open to having one sooner. This is also commonly combined with secondary measures, such as condoms, pulling out, or even abstinence during the fertile window (why measure cycle timing if you're not changing your behavior, using another method, based on the observation).
loeg 2y ago
The 80% using contraceptive methods stat includes pulling out as a contraceptive method.
- toofy 2y ago
  no, this doesn’t seem to be the case. more than 80% of those avoiding pregnancy use condoms, pill, tied tubes, vasectomy, iud, etc… this 80% does not include withdrawal. [0] 5.8% rely on withdrawal. [0] https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-use-united-states https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-u...
  - loeg 1y ago
    The 80% claim must include withdrawal, because their claim is that the population not using any method has only a 15% non-pregnancy rate within a year. But withdrawal has a much higher 80-96% rate of non-pregnancy within a year. https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-united-states https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-unit... > Sexually active couples who do not use any method of contraception have approximately an 85% chance of experiencing a pregnancy over the course of a year. Therefore, withdrawal is a method of contraception.
    - toofy 1y ago
      the 80% does not include withdrawal. the numbers are here [0]. 80+% rely on things like pill, condom, tied tubes, etc...: 23.9: tube ligation/implants 16.4: pill 13.2: condom 12.0: iud 8.50: vasectomy 2.6: implant 2.1: injectable 1.2: vaginal ring .4: patch 80.3% rely on the contraceptions listed above. The remaining rely on: withdrawal, emergency contraception, family planning, etc...: 5.8%: withdrawal 2.6%: family planning 0.2%: emergency contraception 0.2%: other 11%: no method the 80% does not include withdrawal. [0] https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-use-united-states https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-u...
      - bethekidyouwant 1y ago
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giantg2 2y ago

I'm not saying it's a very common method (maybe, maybe not), but cycle timing is often included in "birth control" stats and used as a secondary measure with other forms of birth control.

dalyons 2y ago
You can just look up these numbers, of various forms of birth control. That exclude cycle timing. And none of them say it’s “most people”. Perhaps some unmeasured population uses it as a secondary method, that’s total speculation and kind of beside the point
- giantg2 1y ago
  Are we (or the grandparent) talking most people at one point in time, or most people at any time during their life? If it's the latter, then I do think it's a valid claim, but I haven't seen any stats that cover those sorts of numbers. Eg have more than 50% of people in a committed relationship never used the timing method? Most of the couples I am good friends with have used the cycle timing method when they want another kid, want to delay it, but are open to having one sooner. This is also commonly combined with secondary measures, such as condoms, pulling out, or even abstinence during the fertile window (why measure cycle timing if you're not changing your behavior, using another method, based on the observation).

loeg 2y ago

The 80% using contraceptive methods stat includes pulling out as a contraceptive method.

toofy 2y ago
no, this doesn’t seem to be the case. more than 80% of those avoiding pregnancy use condoms, pill, tied tubes, vasectomy, iud, etc… this 80% does not include withdrawal. [0] 5.8% rely on withdrawal. [0] https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-use-united-states https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-u...
- loeg 1y ago
  The 80% claim must include withdrawal, because their claim is that the population not using any method has only a 15% non-pregnancy rate within a year. But withdrawal has a much higher 80-96% rate of non-pregnancy within a year. https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-united-states https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-use-unit... > Sexually active couples who do not use any method of contraception have approximately an 85% chance of experiencing a pregnancy over the course of a year. Therefore, withdrawal is a method of contraception.
  - toofy 1y ago
    the 80% does not include withdrawal. the numbers are here [0]. 80+% rely on things like pill, condom, tied tubes, etc...: 23.9: tube ligation/implants 16.4: pill 13.2: condom 12.0: iud 8.50: vasectomy 2.6: implant 2.1: injectable 1.2: vaginal ring .4: patch 80.3% rely on the contraceptions listed above. The remaining rely on: withdrawal, emergency contraception, family planning, etc...: 5.8%: withdrawal 2.6%: family planning 0.2%: emergency contraception 0.2%: other 11%: no method the 80% does not include withdrawal. [0] https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-use-united-states https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-method-u...
    - bethekidyouwant 1y ago
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