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Normally this would have been being laid off or fired, and you'd get unemployment. But because the countries laws benefit the excessively rich, and the poor pe

Normally this would have been being laid off or fired, and you'd get unemployment. But because the countries laws benefit the excessively rich, and the poor peoples' hard work to make the rich richer, means that these people have 0 protections whatsoever. They are the second lowest economic class, the "can't even get W2 work". The lowest is 'homeless', who are already considered thrown away, societally speaking.

assimpleaspossi 2y ago
It is what it is. They know that going in and it's what they signed up for. The deactivation is a different story, however.
- michaelsshaw 2y ago
  I'm sure they'd like to sign up for something else. It's not some free marketplace of employers. The deals are shit all around.
  - dkkergoog 2y ago
    It's not worth it. The insurance you want to provide is not sustainable. Or if you think it is the make the company and compete. The other option are these dealers shutting down and now no one has a source of income.
    - trilbyglens 2y ago
      Europe calls bullshit on this line of reasoning. You've drank too much koolaide friend.
  - ANewFormation 2y ago
    There are lots of people that enjoy the 'gig' jobs because of the freedom to work (or not) whenever they want.
    - mystraline 2y ago
      Even more 'choose' gig shit-work because that's all that was available. And sure, homelessness, hunger, and low/no medical is a "choice", its not a choice we make lightly. So worse is better than homeless. And people are stratified out of even the working class.
      - ANewFormation 2y ago
        This is complete nonsense. There's no shortage of low still, low wage jobs - most of which would pay better in the longrun, have opportunities for advancement, and so on. But they don't come with the freedom that gig jobs do which is their primary appeal.
- mystraline 2y ago
  There is absolutely a difference between a professional 1099 contractor charging $500/hr with a custom negotiated contract, and this garbage that we call 'gig work'. And if the laws were actually enforced, most of it is blatantly illegal. Illegal online taxi. Illegal online food delivery. Illegal residential hotel chain. Etc. Many people who do this do so because they don't have other choices. And much of it is also illegal for the people "working", cause commercial driving requires commercial license. It is a scam on everyone, except for the 'app companies' that basically added 'internet' to a regulated career and turned it into unregulated enshittified garbage.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >And if the laws were actually enforced, most of it is blatantly illegal. >It is a scam on everyone, except for the 'app companies' that basically added 'internet' to a regulated career and turned it into unregulated enshittified garbage. No, this predated "app companies". Taxi drivers were self-employed, only got paid if they got fares, and on top had to pay for the privilege of driving (medallion system). That's just as bad as working for Uber, if not worse (since you don't have to pay to work for Uber).
  - Ekaros 2y ago
    Yep. The market should be two sided. Service providers should be able to set any terms and prices. Then it would be up to buyer to review them including fine print. This would allow real free market to operate in most efficient way.
Ferret7446 2y ago
You have it backwards. Gig workers aren't employees. Quite the opposite, they are self employed and pay for a service that connects them with clients, handles payment processing, disputes, contracts, etc. The existence of gig services is not responsible for poverty. Poverty is the natural state of all living things, and through much effort humanity has succeeded in partially eliminating poverty. There is indeed a problem. Before we're able to achieve post-scarcity, we will reach a point where most people will not be able to provide sufficient value in a free market economy to sustain themselves comfortably. This problem was not caused by gig services or big corpo being evil or whatever people like to blame.

assimpleaspossi 2y ago

It is what it is. They know that going in and it's what they signed up for. The deactivation is a different story, however.

michaelsshaw 2y ago
I'm sure they'd like to sign up for something else. It's not some free marketplace of employers. The deals are shit all around.
- dkkergoog 2y ago
  It's not worth it. The insurance you want to provide is not sustainable. Or if you think it is the make the company and compete. The other option are these dealers shutting down and now no one has a source of income.
  - trilbyglens 2y ago
    Europe calls bullshit on this line of reasoning. You've drank too much koolaide friend.
- ANewFormation 2y ago
  There are lots of people that enjoy the 'gig' jobs because of the freedom to work (or not) whenever they want.
  - mystraline 2y ago
    Even more 'choose' gig shit-work because that's all that was available. And sure, homelessness, hunger, and low/no medical is a "choice", its not a choice we make lightly. So worse is better than homeless. And people are stratified out of even the working class.
    - ANewFormation 2y ago
      This is complete nonsense. There's no shortage of low still, low wage jobs - most of which would pay better in the longrun, have opportunities for advancement, and so on. But they don't come with the freedom that gig jobs do which is their primary appeal.
mystraline 2y ago
There is absolutely a difference between a professional 1099 contractor charging $500/hr with a custom negotiated contract, and this garbage that we call 'gig work'. And if the laws were actually enforced, most of it is blatantly illegal. Illegal online taxi. Illegal online food delivery. Illegal residential hotel chain. Etc. Many people who do this do so because they don't have other choices. And much of it is also illegal for the people "working", cause commercial driving requires commercial license. It is a scam on everyone, except for the 'app companies' that basically added 'internet' to a regulated career and turned it into unregulated enshittified garbage.
- gruez 2y ago
  >And if the laws were actually enforced, most of it is blatantly illegal. >It is a scam on everyone, except for the 'app companies' that basically added 'internet' to a regulated career and turned it into unregulated enshittified garbage. No, this predated "app companies". Taxi drivers were self-employed, only got paid if they got fares, and on top had to pay for the privilege of driving (medallion system). That's just as bad as working for Uber, if not worse (since you don't have to pay to work for Uber).
- Ekaros 2y ago
  Yep. The market should be two sided. Service providers should be able to set any terms and prices. Then it would be up to buyer to review them including fine print. This would allow real free market to operate in most efficient way.

Ferret7446 2y ago

You have it backwards. Gig workers aren't employees. Quite the opposite, they are self employed and pay for a service that connects them with clients, handles payment processing, disputes, contracts, etc. The existence of gig services is not responsible for poverty. Poverty is the natural state of all living things, and through much effort humanity has succeeded in partially eliminating poverty. There is indeed a problem. Before we're able to achieve post-scarcity, we will reach a point where most people will not be able to provide sufficient value in a free market economy to sustain themselves comfortably. This problem was not caused by gig services or big corpo being evil or whatever people like to blame.