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Nah, just vote for the party you like the most. The nerds at the elections office take care of the math themselves. "Better" than US/UK/Canada where you have to

Nah, just vote for the party you like the most. The nerds at the elections office take care of the math themselves. "Better" than US/UK/Canada where you have to consider a primary system or multiple elections or "Liberal Democrats win here" signs to not split the vote.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
It does underline the comparative disadvantage of America’s uneducated population: something like this wouldn’t get through because most of the population is too stupid to grok it. We’re foreclosed from an entire domain of solutions because idiots won’t or can’t tough through understanding them.
- smlavine 1y ago
  This is true, this is an inherently more complex system. Personally I prefer the French two-round system as a balance between complexity and proportionality -- America sorta has this with primaries, although them being months in advance and the districts being gerrymandered to hell doesn't help.
  - vidarh 1y ago
    The French two-round system is wildy unproportional to the point that it is just very marginally less undemocratic than first past the post.
- rayiner 1y ago
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  - Spooky23 1y ago
    I think you’re both underestimating the education of immigrants and overestimating the abilities of your neighbors. A lot of bad shit hides in the averages. Some US states have poor or no standards, or allow kids to bypass standards through various means. Unless they got remedial education in the military or something, the average high school graduate from a poorly performing place is much less capable than a Mexican or Filipino graduate.
    - rayiner 1y ago
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      - chimpanzee 1y ago
        > You’ve internalized an anti-American racism that’s quite shocking to see. And you’ve internatilized an American racism that’s not so shocking to see, unfortunately. Less than a day later, and you’re back at it. Not even a DEI specific post, but the racism still seeps out.
        rayiner 1y ago
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        chimpanzee 1y ago
        You brought up “racism” when you cracked about gp somehow displaying anti-American racism. Suggesting uneducated immigrants are a major problem is a common trope of racist discussion even if the word “race” is not specifically used. Especially in the context of a system that is currently trying to kick out immigrants who have voluntarily entered our educational system. And our population is among the most educated in relation to which countries? Half the country is below a 6th grade reading level. A quarter is below a 3rd grade level. Abysmal for a developed country. It’s inappropriate to compare the US education level to countries that have historically struggled economically and politically, especially when their struggles have been only exacerbated by self-serving US interference. And when enforced illiteracy is often used as a weapon to keep people down. Granted, GP made the first mistake there it seems, and you responded in kind. (Though I’m not sure because he is specifically comparing the lower percentiles. I haven’t seen data on that.) But more to the point, you’ve previously claimed that your passion for these topics is due to a belief that ethnic identity and DEI is a threat to your children and to the American individualist culture. Yet, here you are bashing immigrants when neither ethnic identity, DEI, nor American individualism are being discussed.
- Muromec 1y ago
  The good thing is — you don’t have to suffer the idiots. It’s a choice
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > you don’t have to suffer the idiots. It’s a choice Sure. And I don’t anymore. But the casualty of that choice is social empathy.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  And yet we push the idiots to vote.
- deleted 1y ago
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- barry-cotter 1y ago
  The United States has one of the best education systems in the world, as proxied by the PISA test. US Asians have better results than anywhere but Singapore, Macau and Taiwan. US whites have better results than every majority white country besides Estonia and Switzerland. US Hispanics do better than every Hispanic country bar Spain. US Blacks outscore Jamaica, the only majority Black Country in the OECD and many European and South American countries. I guarantee you the average Icelander does not understand how votes are distributed among parties. They trust the people who do it though.
  - Epa095 1y ago
    Interesting that they do so good as young and end up mediocre (or below) as adults https://gpseducation.oecd.org/CountryProfile?plotter=h5&primaryCountry=USA&treshold=5&topic=AS https://gpseducation.oecd.org/CountryProfile?plotter=h5&prim...
    - barry-cotter 1y ago
      That’s for the entire US population. If you look at the US population without even attempting to correct for demographic factors the US looks unimpressive at all ages.
charlieyu1 1y ago
Hong Kong used to have a proportional voting system. The pro-China camp is often very efficient, sometimes winning a seat with half the votes compared to another candidate

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

It does underline the comparative disadvantage of America’s uneducated population: something like this wouldn’t get through because most of the population is too stupid to grok it. We’re foreclosed from an entire domain of solutions because idiots won’t or can’t tough through understanding them.

smlavine 1y ago
This is true, this is an inherently more complex system. Personally I prefer the French two-round system as a balance between complexity and proportionality -- America sorta has this with primaries, although them being months in advance and the districts being gerrymandered to hell doesn't help.
- vidarh 1y ago
  The French two-round system is wildy unproportional to the point that it is just very marginally less undemocratic than first past the post.
rayiner 1y ago
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- Spooky23 1y ago
  I think you’re both underestimating the education of immigrants and overestimating the abilities of your neighbors. A lot of bad shit hides in the averages. Some US states have poor or no standards, or allow kids to bypass standards through various means. Unless they got remedial education in the military or something, the average high school graduate from a poorly performing place is much less capable than a Mexican or Filipino graduate.
  - rayiner 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - chimpanzee 1y ago
      > You’ve internalized an anti-American racism that’s quite shocking to see. And you’ve internatilized an American racism that’s not so shocking to see, unfortunately. Less than a day later, and you’re back at it. Not even a DEI specific post, but the racism still seeps out.
      - rayiner 1y ago
        [flagged]
        chimpanzee 1y ago
        You brought up “racism” when you cracked about gp somehow displaying anti-American racism. Suggesting uneducated immigrants are a major problem is a common trope of racist discussion even if the word “race” is not specifically used. Especially in the context of a system that is currently trying to kick out immigrants who have voluntarily entered our educational system. And our population is among the most educated in relation to which countries? Half the country is below a 6th grade reading level. A quarter is below a 3rd grade level. Abysmal for a developed country. It’s inappropriate to compare the US education level to countries that have historically struggled economically and politically, especially when their struggles have been only exacerbated by self-serving US interference. And when enforced illiteracy is often used as a weapon to keep people down. Granted, GP made the first mistake there it seems, and you responded in kind. (Though I’m not sure because he is specifically comparing the lower percentiles. I haven’t seen data on that.) But more to the point, you’ve previously claimed that your passion for these topics is due to a belief that ethnic identity and DEI is a threat to your children and to the American individualist culture. Yet, here you are bashing immigrants when neither ethnic identity, DEI, nor American individualism are being discussed.
Muromec 1y ago
The good thing is — you don’t have to suffer the idiots. It’s a choice
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > you don’t have to suffer the idiots. It’s a choice Sure. And I don’t anymore. But the casualty of that choice is social empathy.
SoftTalker 1y ago
And yet we push the idiots to vote.
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barry-cotter 1y ago
The United States has one of the best education systems in the world, as proxied by the PISA test. US Asians have better results than anywhere but Singapore, Macau and Taiwan. US whites have better results than every majority white country besides Estonia and Switzerland. US Hispanics do better than every Hispanic country bar Spain. US Blacks outscore Jamaica, the only majority Black Country in the OECD and many European and South American countries. I guarantee you the average Icelander does not understand how votes are distributed among parties. They trust the people who do it though.
- Epa095 1y ago
  Interesting that they do so good as young and end up mediocre (or below) as adults https://gpseducation.oecd.org/CountryProfile?plotter=h5&primaryCountry=USA&treshold=5&topic=AS https://gpseducation.oecd.org/CountryProfile?plotter=h5&prim...
  - barry-cotter 1y ago
    That’s for the entire US population. If you look at the US population without even attempting to correct for demographic factors the US looks unimpressive at all ages.

charlieyu1 1y ago

Hong Kong used to have a proportional voting system. The pro-China camp is often very efficient, sometimes winning a seat with half the votes compared to another candidate