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>1 in 1500 births is DSD and not binary (aka intersex but that term is outdated) about 1 in 2000 births have less than 4 limbs but i don't see anybody claiming

>1 in 1500 births is DSD and not binary (aka intersex but that term is outdated) about 1 in 2000 births have less than 4 limbs but i don't see anybody claiming its a spectrum.

wat10000 2y ago
You don’t hear about it because everybody understands that disabled people exist and the broad consensus is that we should accept them, and assist them to a reasonable degree. There’s little reason to discuss it. If people born with less than 4 limbs were subjected to the same treatment trans people get, you’d better believe we’d be out here talking about how not everybody has 4 limbs and we should accept that.
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  > You don’t hear about it because everybody understands that disabled people exist and the broad consensus is that we should accept them, and assist them to a reasonable degree. There’s little reason to discuss it. If people born with less than 4 limbs were subjected to the same treatment trans people get, you’d better believe we’d be out here talking about how not everybody has 4 limbs and we should accept that. Not intending to debate the ethics of abortion, but one of the reasons foetuses are aborted is due to disability, down syndrome being a notable example.
  - wat10000 2y ago
    You’ll note that the people who oppose abortion generally also oppose aborting fetuses with disabilities. And among people who support abortion, a decent proportion also oppose aborting fetuses because of disabilities.
    - trallnag 2y ago
      That's plain wrong. For example, the overwhelming majority of people in Iceland supports abortion rights AND abortion of pregnancies where there is the potential for down syndrom and other larger disabilities. Same goes for me, in general.
      - wat10000 2y ago
        I don’t understand how that makes me wrong.
        Supermancho 2y ago
        > among people who support abortion, a decent proportion also oppose aborting fetuses because of disabilities You made a claim, but without evidence. Iceland is a population, that demonstrates the contrary. Not saying you're wrong, but the second sentence is suspect and it's not interesting to argue about why.
        wat10000 2y ago
        Do you think it’s interesting to respond to a general claim with a rebuttal based on a tiny and relatively insular population? The county I live in has 3x more people than the entirety of Iceland. Here’s a poll of Americans that includes a question about aborting fetuses with Down Syndrome. 44% of pro-choice respondents oppose it. I’m not wrong and there’s no reason to find that sentence suspect. https://www.kofc.org/en/resources/communications/polls/marist-poll-results2024.pdf https://www.kofc.org/en/resources/communications/polls/maris...
        Supermancho 2y ago
        > Do you think it’s interesting to respond to a general claim with a rebuttal based on a tiny and relatively insular population? I think it's a microcosm that is more aware of the effects than a population who (mistakenly) thinks the decisions they make are the reasons they experience specific effects, as opposed to the flow of individuals in and out of a virtual bounds of a larger population with very minor influence on socio-political issues. Good luck with whatever.
- kgwgk 2y ago
  > 1 in 1500 births is DSD > trans people Those populations have very little to do with each other - if anything.
spondylosaurus 2y ago
I mean, congenital limb differences are quite literally a spectrum. An entire limb can be absent, or just part(s) of it, or most of the limb can be present but irregularly formed... You can even mix and match with which parts are present vs absent. I know someone with an arm that stops just above the elbow but still has several (usable!) fingers extending from it. So no joint, but sorta-yes hand.
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>1 in 1500 births is DSD and not binary (aka intersex but that term is outdated) about 1 in 2000 births have less than 4 limbs but i don't see anybody claiming its a spectrum.

wat10000 2y ago

You don’t hear about it because everybody understands that disabled people exist and the broad consensus is that we should accept them, and assist them to a reasonable degree. There’s little reason to discuss it. If people born with less than 4 limbs were subjected to the same treatment trans people get, you’d better believe we’d be out here talking about how not everybody has 4 limbs and we should accept that.

ChocolateGod 2y ago
> You don’t hear about it because everybody understands that disabled people exist and the broad consensus is that we should accept them, and assist them to a reasonable degree. There’s little reason to discuss it. If people born with less than 4 limbs were subjected to the same treatment trans people get, you’d better believe we’d be out here talking about how not everybody has 4 limbs and we should accept that. Not intending to debate the ethics of abortion, but one of the reasons foetuses are aborted is due to disability, down syndrome being a notable example.
- wat10000 2y ago
  You’ll note that the people who oppose abortion generally also oppose aborting fetuses with disabilities. And among people who support abortion, a decent proportion also oppose aborting fetuses because of disabilities.
  - trallnag 2y ago
    That's plain wrong. For example, the overwhelming majority of people in Iceland supports abortion rights AND abortion of pregnancies where there is the potential for down syndrom and other larger disabilities. Same goes for me, in general.
    - wat10000 2y ago
      I don’t understand how that makes me wrong.
      - Supermancho 2y ago
        > among people who support abortion, a decent proportion also oppose aborting fetuses because of disabilities You made a claim, but without evidence. Iceland is a population, that demonstrates the contrary. Not saying you're wrong, but the second sentence is suspect and it's not interesting to argue about why.
        wat10000 2y ago
        Do you think it’s interesting to respond to a general claim with a rebuttal based on a tiny and relatively insular population? The county I live in has 3x more people than the entirety of Iceland. Here’s a poll of Americans that includes a question about aborting fetuses with Down Syndrome. 44% of pro-choice respondents oppose it. I’m not wrong and there’s no reason to find that sentence suspect. https://www.kofc.org/en/resources/communications/polls/marist-poll-results2024.pdf https://www.kofc.org/en/resources/communications/polls/maris...
        Supermancho 2y ago
        > Do you think it’s interesting to respond to a general claim with a rebuttal based on a tiny and relatively insular population? I think it's a microcosm that is more aware of the effects than a population who (mistakenly) thinks the decisions they make are the reasons they experience specific effects, as opposed to the flow of individuals in and out of a virtual bounds of a larger population with very minor influence on socio-political issues. Good luck with whatever.
kgwgk 2y ago
> 1 in 1500 births is DSD > trans people Those populations have very little to do with each other - if anything.

spondylosaurus 2y ago

I mean, congenital limb differences are quite literally a spectrum. An entire limb can be absent, or just part(s) of it, or most of the limb can be present but irregularly formed... You can even mix and match with which parts are present vs absent. I know someone with an arm that stops just above the elbow but still has several (usable!) fingers extending from it. So no joint, but sorta-yes hand.

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