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Because floating solar panels add drag proportional to their area, and it takes a lot of area of panels to power a motor that is sufficient for a cargo ship eve

Because floating solar panels add drag proportional to their area, and it takes a lot of area of panels to power a motor that is sufficient for a cargo ship even without the added drag of the panels. Also, because oceans and the things one runs into in them aren't easy on solar panels being dragged along by cargo ships.

PicassoCTs 2y ago
Would make more sense to produce chemical from solar energy harvested on the water fuels, collect the fuel and then use this with ships
- retrocryptid 2y ago
  i wish there was more talk about this. it seems i heard a lot about making hydrocarbons from co2 in the air + solar or algae a couple years ago. if your hydrocarbons are made this way it seems they would be carbon neutral. i'm guessing there's more research to make it feasable since i haven't seen "carbon neutral gas alternative" at the local Chevron.
  - crote 2y ago
    There has been quite some buzz about ammonia, as it is fairly easy to turn electricity into hydrogen, and hydrogen into ammonia. It has a reasonably high energy density, is not too nasty to handle, and already has a huge industry built around it.
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
My understanding is that drag is more about the "front-on" view of a craft than how long the craft is. Since solar panels are very thin and aimed up, it feels like they add minimal cross-sectional area to the craft. Your assertion seems trivially incorrect to me?
- numpad0 2y ago
  Ships drag across sticky goop, not fly through soup.
- aliher1911 2y ago
  There's a pressure drag and skin friction drag. Friction drag is supposedly a majority component unless you sail a brick. But I don't have sources to prove that.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Oceans can be extremely rough, but even mild waves make it inappropriate to approximate PV as thin. The requisite area to power a ship is huge, something like 1.4km^2 (ballpark estimate for 20% cells, reasonable capacity factor guess, 60 MW consumption requirement). If a ship is about 30m wide, it's trailing about 45 km of PV. You're not even into 4 digits of cargo ships before the combined length is longer than the circumference of the planet.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > My understanding is that drag is more about the "front-on" view of a craft than how long the craft is. Drag (fluid mechanics generally) is... ludicrously complicated. For the typical shapes of ships, I believe you are correct that the main factor is cross sectional area perpendicular to the direction of travel, but that’s not universally true. i think that for a floating raft of panels, it would be proportional to the panel area, similar to how for winged aicraft its the wing area and not the cross section perpendicular to direction of travel.

PicassoCTs 2y ago

Would make more sense to produce chemical from solar energy harvested on the water fuels, collect the fuel and then use this with ships

retrocryptid 2y ago
i wish there was more talk about this. it seems i heard a lot about making hydrocarbons from co2 in the air + solar or algae a couple years ago. if your hydrocarbons are made this way it seems they would be carbon neutral. i'm guessing there's more research to make it feasable since i haven't seen "carbon neutral gas alternative" at the local Chevron.
- crote 2y ago
  There has been quite some buzz about ammonia, as it is fairly easy to turn electricity into hydrogen, and hydrogen into ammonia. It has a reasonably high energy density, is not too nasty to handle, and already has a huge industry built around it.

jauntywundrkind 2y ago

My understanding is that drag is more about the "front-on" view of a craft than how long the craft is. Since solar panels are very thin and aimed up, it feels like they add minimal cross-sectional area to the craft. Your assertion seems trivially incorrect to me?

numpad0 2y ago
Ships drag across sticky goop, not fly through soup.
aliher1911 2y ago
There's a pressure drag and skin friction drag. Friction drag is supposedly a majority component unless you sail a brick. But I don't have sources to prove that.
ben_w 2y ago
Oceans can be extremely rough, but even mild waves make it inappropriate to approximate PV as thin. The requisite area to power a ship is huge, something like 1.4km^2 (ballpark estimate for 20% cells, reasonable capacity factor guess, 60 MW consumption requirement). If a ship is about 30m wide, it's trailing about 45 km of PV. You're not even into 4 digits of cargo ships before the combined length is longer than the circumference of the planet.
dragonwriter 2y ago
> My understanding is that drag is more about the "front-on" view of a craft than how long the craft is. Drag (fluid mechanics generally) is... ludicrously complicated. For the typical shapes of ships, I believe you are correct that the main factor is cross sectional area perpendicular to the direction of travel, but that’s not universally true. i think that for a floating raft of panels, it would be proportional to the panel area, similar to how for winged aicraft its the wing area and not the cross section perpendicular to direction of travel.