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I’m guessing a lot of customers are being tardy in paying tariffs, leaving DHL to deal with packages that won’t clear customs. Probably a much bigger issue for

by ummonk 2y ago

I’m guessing a lot of customers are being tardy in paying tariffs, leaving DHL to deal with packages that won’t clear customs. Probably a much bigger issue for B2C shipments than B2B shipments.

wffurr 2y ago
Nothing to do with tariffs, which is clear in the first paragraph: Effective April 5, 2025, all shipments to the U.S. with a declared customs value over USD 800 require formal entry processing - down from the previous USD 2,500 threshold due to new U.S. Customs regulations.
- throwaway36834 2y ago
  $800 is the threshold for different tariff rules, so yes it is absolutely related. Those would previously have fallen under de minimis rules, but as of May 2 these are rescinded. > All postal items containing goods described in section 2(a) of Executive Order 14195 and sent to the United States through the international postal network from the PRC or Hong Kong and transported by carriers that are valued at or under 800 dollars and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption authorized in 19 U.S.C. 1321(a)(2)(C) shall be subject to the duties described in subsection (c) of this section. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/07/2025-06027/further-amendment-to-duties-addressing-the-synthetic-opioid-supply-chain-in-the-peoples-republic-of https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/07/2025-06...
  - colingauvin 2y ago
    You're almost correct but in this case they are suspending shipments for over $800, not under. This doesn't appear to be caused by any changes to the de minimis rules, but rather the rules for the tier after de minimis And what an odd comment to use a throwaway for...
    - LoganDark 2y ago
      > And what an odd comment to use a throwaway for... Certain people seem to use throwaways for every comment or spree of comments.
      - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
        Those people are breaking the site guidelines: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        LoganDark 2y ago
        ah, whoops
      - adolph 2y ago
        certainly strange if not conspiracy
- ummonk 2y ago
  That’s tariffs. Goods under $800 have de minimis exemption from tariffs.
  - throwaway36834 2y ago
    > Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free de minimis treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S. > All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-closes-de-minimis-exemptions-to-combat-chinas-role-in-americas-synthetic-opioid-crisis/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-pr...
    - ummonk 1y ago
      Yeah, but the exception is still be in place for non-Chinese shipments, right?
  - occz 2y ago
    It's getting removed too, on 2025-05-02, unless amended.
  - TechDebtDevin 2y ago
    Yes, but they are overhauling that. De minimis is going away for Chinese goods (and definately did give companies like ali express an unfair advantage with price conscious shoppers). I honestly dont know how the IOT space is going to manage. Espressif microcontrollers that used to cost < $2.00 that you could slap in a security camera are going to cost $50.00 now.
    - coliveira 2y ago
      I don't think this rule will be applied only to Chinese goods. Otherwise a simple strategy for Chinese firms is to send product to another country and then to the USA.
- collingreen 2y ago
  I'm curious why "new customs regulations" makes you think "nothing to do with tariffs". I'm no expert in this space but that sounds like it can include tariffs to me, and there has been a lot of significant and fluctuating new tariff regulation.
- Aurornis 2y ago
  The threshold change is part of the new tariff changes. They have removed de minimis exemptions for tariffs and require further tariff handling at lower value thresholds (the $800 threshold here) So yes, it is related to the tariff changes.

by ummonk 2y ago

I’m guessing a lot of customers are being tardy in paying tariffs, leaving DHL to deal with packages that won’t clear customs. Probably a much bigger issue for B2C shipments than B2B shipments.

wffurr 2y ago

Nothing to do with tariffs, which is clear in the first paragraph: Effective April 5, 2025, all shipments to the U.S. with a declared customs value over USD 800 require formal entry processing - down from the previous USD 2,500 threshold due to new U.S. Customs regulations.

throwaway36834 2y ago
$800 is the threshold for different tariff rules, so yes it is absolutely related. Those would previously have fallen under de minimis rules, but as of May 2 these are rescinded. > All postal items containing goods described in section 2(a) of Executive Order 14195 and sent to the United States through the international postal network from the PRC or Hong Kong and transported by carriers that are valued at or under 800 dollars and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption authorized in 19 U.S.C. 1321(a)(2)(C) shall be subject to the duties described in subsection (c) of this section. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/07/2025-06027/further-amendment-to-duties-addressing-the-synthetic-opioid-supply-chain-in-the-peoples-republic-of https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/07/2025-06...
- colingauvin 2y ago
  You're almost correct but in this case they are suspending shipments for over $800, not under. This doesn't appear to be caused by any changes to the de minimis rules, but rather the rules for the tier after de minimis And what an odd comment to use a throwaway for...
  - LoganDark 2y ago
    > And what an odd comment to use a throwaway for... Certain people seem to use throwaways for every comment or spree of comments.
    - Wowfunhappy 2y ago
      Those people are breaking the site guidelines: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - LoganDark 2y ago
        ah, whoops
    - adolph 2y ago
      certainly strange if not conspiracy
ummonk 2y ago
That’s tariffs. Goods under $800 have de minimis exemption from tariffs.
- throwaway36834 2y ago
  > Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free de minimis treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S. > All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-closes-de-minimis-exemptions-to-combat-chinas-role-in-americas-synthetic-opioid-crisis/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-pr...
  - ummonk 1y ago
    Yeah, but the exception is still be in place for non-Chinese shipments, right?
- occz 2y ago
  It's getting removed too, on 2025-05-02, unless amended.
- TechDebtDevin 2y ago
  Yes, but they are overhauling that. De minimis is going away for Chinese goods (and definately did give companies like ali express an unfair advantage with price conscious shoppers). I honestly dont know how the IOT space is going to manage. Espressif microcontrollers that used to cost < $2.00 that you could slap in a security camera are going to cost $50.00 now.
  - coliveira 2y ago
    I don't think this rule will be applied only to Chinese goods. Otherwise a simple strategy for Chinese firms is to send product to another country and then to the USA.
collingreen 2y ago
I'm curious why "new customs regulations" makes you think "nothing to do with tariffs". I'm no expert in this space but that sounds like it can include tariffs to me, and there has been a lot of significant and fluctuating new tariff regulation.
Aurornis 2y ago
The threshold change is part of the new tariff changes. They have removed de minimis exemptions for tariffs and require further tariff handling at lower value thresholds (the $800 threshold here) So yes, it is related to the tariff changes.