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The examples are cherry-picked. I took a photo outside my office window in a built-up area, o3 thought for 5m 7s (!), and it got the location wrong by 40km. Doe

by Kolya 1y ago

The examples are cherry-picked. I took a photo outside my office window in a built-up area, o3 thought for 5m 7s (!), and it got the location wrong by 40km. Doesn't look solved to me.

sadeshmukh 1y ago
40 km is imo pretty impressive, but the 5 minute is really a killer. No use in real time applications
- antonvs 1y ago
  For real time applications, GPS seems like it'd be much more useful.
- bpodgursky 1y ago
  The military/infosec uses of this are not real time. You can wait 5 minutes for a drone strike.
  - tempest_ 1y ago
    Yeah but you also cant be off by 40km with your drone strike.
    - dredmorbius 1y ago
      A 40km radius circle is far smaller than a 1000 km radius circle. Once the guesser's made its attempt, it's more straightforward to either refute the guess entirely, or refine within a probable circle of error.
    - hhh 1y ago
      40km accuracy for something arbitrary is a decent starting point. I can normally get within a few meters within a couple of minutes of most images though.
    - dogma1138 1y ago
      Narrowing it down to even a 100km radius for visint analysts to then pinpoint it down is worth its weight in gold already.
  - viraptor 1y ago
    For military uses, if the us army doesn't have a much more precise, purpose built model, already trained on both private data and whatever they could get from google and others, I'd be extremely surprised. They will not be using chatgpt for serious things like that. (... or at least I'd be sure about that a few months ago - maybe a bit less now)
    - bpodgursky 1y ago
      There is not a secret super duper powerful military version of cutting edge consumer technologies. AI is catching everyone with their pants down. You have access to the most powerful computer intelligence on earth, the same ones the NSA and CIA have access to. It's a bizarre world.
      - abletonlive 1y ago
        If you're going to make such an assertive statement you should maybe backup that claim with some substance. Without such, it's akin to an atheist proudly proclaiming there is definitely no such thing as god.
        bpodgursky 1y ago
        No, actually the person asserting that a thing exists has the burden of proof. You can demonstrate that the military has fighter jets better than civilians. Easy. You have no evidence at all that the military has super advanced AI systems consumers don't have. And in fact all anecdotal evidence for the past 3 years is that OSINT is as good or better than the DoD capabilities for photo analysis.
        abletonlive 1y ago
        > No, actually the person asserting that a thing exists has the burden of proof. Well, I'm not the one that made an assertion so I think both of you should provide some proof/evidence/support for your assertion. It doesn't matter if the assertion is for the existence of something or not. When you make an assertion you provide backing evidence to support it. Even for the assertion of nonexistence. This is basic stuff. Weird to even have to argue about it on HN. But just in case you never learned it, "There is no X" (your original assertion) is different from "There is no evidence for the existence of X". > Easy. You have no evidence at all that the military has super advanced AI systems consumers don't have. Okay I'll bite, we have access to project maven and knows exactly what it's capable of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-ai-warfare-project-maven/?embedded-checkout=true https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-ai-warfare-project-m... Okay sure, whatever you say. You clearly are privy to all of the projects the government is involved with, and surely while all of the consumer AI capabilities have been released they've been sitting around doing nothing with it like a deer in headlights. Consumer AI has more data available to train off of than the government....right? I'm sure the government just threw away all their AI projects and bought a chatgpt pro subscription because it's better or the same as what they are using with all the same capabilities... What a silly position to take. Why did everybody foolishly make such a big deal about all the data they were collecting all these years
  - swarnie 1y ago
    Please stop indiscriminately murdering us with flying killdroids.
    - DonHopkins 1y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbnDr_IbdIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbnDr_IbdIU
    - TiredOfLife 1y ago
      Stop invading Ukraine
      - swarnie 1y ago
        Haven't done for almost 200 years.
paulcole 1y ago
That’s also not GeoGuessr.
casey2 1y ago
Were you in a Google street view car when you took the photo?
nxobject 1y ago
Did you glean anything interesting from the chain of thought about why it took so long?

by Kolya 1y ago

The examples are cherry-picked. I took a photo outside my office window in a built-up area, o3 thought for 5m 7s (!), and it got the location wrong by 40km. Doesn't look solved to me.

sadeshmukh 1y ago

40 km is imo pretty impressive, but the 5 minute is really a killer. No use in real time applications

antonvs 1y ago
For real time applications, GPS seems like it'd be much more useful.
bpodgursky 1y ago
The military/infosec uses of this are not real time. You can wait 5 minutes for a drone strike.
- tempest_ 1y ago
  Yeah but you also cant be off by 40km with your drone strike.
  - dredmorbius 1y ago
    A 40km radius circle is far smaller than a 1000 km radius circle. Once the guesser's made its attempt, it's more straightforward to either refute the guess entirely, or refine within a probable circle of error.
  - hhh 1y ago
    40km accuracy for something arbitrary is a decent starting point. I can normally get within a few meters within a couple of minutes of most images though.
  - dogma1138 1y ago
    Narrowing it down to even a 100km radius for visint analysts to then pinpoint it down is worth its weight in gold already.
- viraptor 1y ago
  For military uses, if the us army doesn't have a much more precise, purpose built model, already trained on both private data and whatever they could get from google and others, I'd be extremely surprised. They will not be using chatgpt for serious things like that. (... or at least I'd be sure about that a few months ago - maybe a bit less now)
  - bpodgursky 1y ago
    There is not a secret super duper powerful military version of cutting edge consumer technologies. AI is catching everyone with their pants down. You have access to the most powerful computer intelligence on earth, the same ones the NSA and CIA have access to. It's a bizarre world.
    - abletonlive 1y ago
      If you're going to make such an assertive statement you should maybe backup that claim with some substance. Without such, it's akin to an atheist proudly proclaiming there is definitely no such thing as god.
      - bpodgursky 1y ago
        No, actually the person asserting that a thing exists has the burden of proof. You can demonstrate that the military has fighter jets better than civilians. Easy. You have no evidence at all that the military has super advanced AI systems consumers don't have. And in fact all anecdotal evidence for the past 3 years is that OSINT is as good or better than the DoD capabilities for photo analysis.
        abletonlive 1y ago
        > No, actually the person asserting that a thing exists has the burden of proof. Well, I'm not the one that made an assertion so I think both of you should provide some proof/evidence/support for your assertion. It doesn't matter if the assertion is for the existence of something or not. When you make an assertion you provide backing evidence to support it. Even for the assertion of nonexistence. This is basic stuff. Weird to even have to argue about it on HN. But just in case you never learned it, "There is no X" (your original assertion) is different from "There is no evidence for the existence of X". > Easy. You have no evidence at all that the military has super advanced AI systems consumers don't have. Okay I'll bite, we have access to project maven and knows exactly what it's capable of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-ai-warfare-project-maven/?embedded-checkout=true https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-ai-warfare-project-m... Okay sure, whatever you say. You clearly are privy to all of the projects the government is involved with, and surely while all of the consumer AI capabilities have been released they've been sitting around doing nothing with it like a deer in headlights. Consumer AI has more data available to train off of than the government....right? I'm sure the government just threw away all their AI projects and bought a chatgpt pro subscription because it's better or the same as what they are using with all the same capabilities... What a silly position to take. Why did everybody foolishly make such a big deal about all the data they were collecting all these years
- swarnie 1y ago
  Please stop indiscriminately murdering us with flying killdroids.
  - DonHopkins 1y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbnDr_IbdIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbnDr_IbdIU
  - TiredOfLife 1y ago
    Stop invading Ukraine
    - swarnie 1y ago
      Haven't done for almost 200 years.

paulcole 1y ago

That’s also not GeoGuessr.

casey2 1y ago

Were you in a Google street view car when you took the photo?

nxobject 1y ago

Did you glean anything interesting from the chain of thought about why it took so long?