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Don't you ever think to yourself when waking up 'time to wake up' ? Or when you see someone you don't like 'oh here is that motherfucker' ? I mean the inner v

Don't you ever think to yourself when waking up 'time to wake up' ? Or when you see someone you don't like 'oh here is that motherfucker' ? I mean the inner voice isn't like a deep discussion between you and you, its spontaneous stuff you just wouldn't say out loud. I have a hard time believing some people don't have it.

Baeocystin 2y ago
Not the person you're asking, but as someone who also doesn't have an inner monologue, no, I literally never think either of those two things you gave as an example. I feel the feelings they describe, but they never bubble up to my thoughts in word form.
bombela 2y ago
I also don't have this internal monologue. But I can talk in my head just fine if I want. But doing so is the same effort as talking out loud. I suspect that it does make articulating my thoughts verbally to other people more difficult since I must go brain thinking to text before speech. That's probably why I prefer textual communication so much more. I can take the time to read, think, and textualize the answer. I also find it incredibly useful to pretend I am teaching in my head; thus producing the text; before going into a meeting on a given topic. Of course anything I haven't thought to reharse, I am now naked. As for your specific example, instead of a concrete set of words about waking up or a specific insult. I simply think a similar concept.
uniq7 2y ago
Language is just a way of encoding semantic meaning. If your brain already knows that it is time to wake up or that it hates that guy, what's the point of encoding a description of that feeling into spoken language and replay it? That sounds inefficient. I have an inner monologue, but most of the time (and especially when I want to work fast), I "disable" it. Then my mind simply works in the "meaning space", where it can leverage other modalities (e.g., visual 3D representations of system behaviors). When I write or talk in formal environments I "enable" it just to double check and polish what I want to say.
- JohnMakin 2y ago
  Language is just a way of encoding semantic meaning - this is a perfect explanation and im going to use it from now on, thanks. yea this is like me too. curious, did you start reading at a very early age? I started around 3. this is what I personally think it is. It’s not like I dont have the ability to hear a narrative in my head, I just dont do it. I’ve suspected that since I began reading so early, it has something to do with it - and if you’re not capable of reading /comprehending as fast as I can, like if you’re literally sounding out every word in your head you’d never be able to keep up with whatever it is I do. I’d be enormously frustrated by that process. But to me this is what “narrative voice people” must do in their heads. or maybe it has to do (for me) being on the spectrum (high functioning)
  - uniq7 2y ago
    > curious, did you start reading at a very early age? I started around 3 I did! I also learnt to read at 3. Your observation was really impressive. I've never thought about it being the cause of my weird quirks, I thought it was actually another consequence/symptom of being wired a bit different, but maybe you are right. Have you ever met anyone else who learnt to read early? Do they also behave like that? I don't know if I'm in the spectrum (I suspect I do, but I don't want to know). In any case, if I do, then I'm also a functioning one. > if you’re literally sounding out every word in your head you’d never be able to keep up with whatever it is I do Another possibility is that they overestimate how much they use their inner monologue without realizing. For example, I really doubt they think "time to move the left leg, now the right leg, now the left..." whenever they walk. Maybe they just don't enter into that "mode" as often as us
- the_gipsy 2y ago
  Language can encode information very densely. There is no point in describing "hate that guy". But it can be very efficient to have an inner monologue of "I hate that guy, but I must greet him friendly, or else I will be in trouble". If you'd just let yourself guide by feelings, you would be angry, or afraid, or genuinely happy to see that guy you hate. We already know how to encode and decode it language, because we must communicate with others. It could be useful to also use this code internally, to create very complex scenarios fast.

Baeocystin 2y ago

Not the person you're asking, but as someone who also doesn't have an inner monologue, no, I literally never think either of those two things you gave as an example. I feel the feelings they describe, but they never bubble up to my thoughts in word form.

bombela 2y ago

I also don't have this internal monologue. But I can talk in my head just fine if I want. But doing so is the same effort as talking out loud. I suspect that it does make articulating my thoughts verbally to other people more difficult since I must go brain thinking to text before speech. That's probably why I prefer textual communication so much more. I can take the time to read, think, and textualize the answer. I also find it incredibly useful to pretend I am teaching in my head; thus producing the text; before going into a meeting on a given topic. Of course anything I haven't thought to reharse, I am now naked. As for your specific example, instead of a concrete set of words about waking up or a specific insult. I simply think a similar concept.

uniq7 2y ago

Language is just a way of encoding semantic meaning. If your brain already knows that it is time to wake up or that it hates that guy, what's the point of encoding a description of that feeling into spoken language and replay it? That sounds inefficient. I have an inner monologue, but most of the time (and especially when I want to work fast), I "disable" it. Then my mind simply works in the "meaning space", where it can leverage other modalities (e.g., visual 3D representations of system behaviors). When I write or talk in formal environments I "enable" it just to double check and polish what I want to say.

JohnMakin 2y ago
Language is just a way of encoding semantic meaning - this is a perfect explanation and im going to use it from now on, thanks. yea this is like me too. curious, did you start reading at a very early age? I started around 3. this is what I personally think it is. It’s not like I dont have the ability to hear a narrative in my head, I just dont do it. I’ve suspected that since I began reading so early, it has something to do with it - and if you’re not capable of reading /comprehending as fast as I can, like if you’re literally sounding out every word in your head you’d never be able to keep up with whatever it is I do. I’d be enormously frustrated by that process. But to me this is what “narrative voice people” must do in their heads. or maybe it has to do (for me) being on the spectrum (high functioning)
- uniq7 2y ago
  > curious, did you start reading at a very early age? I started around 3 I did! I also learnt to read at 3. Your observation was really impressive. I've never thought about it being the cause of my weird quirks, I thought it was actually another consequence/symptom of being wired a bit different, but maybe you are right. Have you ever met anyone else who learnt to read early? Do they also behave like that? I don't know if I'm in the spectrum (I suspect I do, but I don't want to know). In any case, if I do, then I'm also a functioning one. > if you’re literally sounding out every word in your head you’d never be able to keep up with whatever it is I do Another possibility is that they overestimate how much they use their inner monologue without realizing. For example, I really doubt they think "time to move the left leg, now the right leg, now the left..." whenever they walk. Maybe they just don't enter into that "mode" as often as us
the_gipsy 2y ago
Language can encode information very densely. There is no point in describing "hate that guy". But it can be very efficient to have an inner monologue of "I hate that guy, but I must greet him friendly, or else I will be in trouble". If you'd just let yourself guide by feelings, you would be angry, or afraid, or genuinely happy to see that guy you hate. We already know how to encode and decode it language, because we must communicate with others. It could be useful to also use this code internally, to create very complex scenarios fast.