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This is too many words to convince someone who already doesn’t believe this. Put more simply: the modern internet doesn’t work without encryption, it is a fund

This is too many words to convince someone who already doesn’t believe this. Put more simply: the modern internet doesn’t work without encryption, it is a fundamental part of the technology. Without it, anyone could log into any of your accounts, take your money, messages, photos, anything.

123pie123 2y ago
>Put more simply: the modern internet doesn’t work without encryption being pandantic that should read - the modern usage of the internet.. the internet does work ok without encryption, has it has done from a long time ago
- kube-system 2y ago
  That’s exactly the pedantry that muddies the water and confuses people on this issue. Colloquially, it is a distinction without a difference. The internet as normal people know it does not work without encryption.
  - 123pie123 2y ago
    I do agree, it depends on the context, eg talking to my family vs this forum This site is not full of "normal people" and it shouldn't confuse people/ muddy the water if being dicussed here
    - kube-system 2y ago
      I agree, but I am saying this here because the OP is written for a nontechnical audience.
gruez 2y ago
>Put more simply: the modern internet doesn’t work without encryption, it is a fundamental part of the technology. Without it, anyone could log into any of your accounts, take your money, messages, photos, anything. I'm pretty pro encryption, but even this is pretty dishonest. Phones (ie. PSTN, not iPhones) aren't "encrypted" by any means, but there's plenty of sensitive information sent over it. Lawyers fax each other important documents, and doctors fax each other medical recorcds. There was (is?) even telephone banking where you could do basic transactions over the phone. Even today, some banks/brokerages require you to phone in to do certain high risk operations (eg. high value transfers or account resets). All of this happens without encryption. While that's less security that I'd like, it's safe to say that "anyone could log into any of your accounts, take your money, messages, photos, anything" isn't true either.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  1. How often are people saying their bank login on their phone calls? 2. Is there a way for phone call man in the middlers to get that info without wasting a ton of time listening to calls? With internet MITM it is very easy to set up a program that scrapes unencrypted login info.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >1. How often are people saying their bank login on their phone calls? Have you ever called into a bank or brokerage? Most ask "security questions", often ones that you can't even choose, like your address or how many accounts you have with them. It's arguably far worse than speaking your password into the phone. >2. Is there a way for phone call man in the middlers to get that info without wasting a ton of time listening to calls? Automated speech recognition has been around for decades. Even before that signals intelligence agencies have shown that widespread wiretapping/eavesdropping is possible and effective.
    - HDThoreaun 2y ago
      Its about threat levels I guess. I was man in the middling passwords in high school without knowing much of anything about technology. Setting up speech recognition alone is a task that most people are incapable of doing. If youre worried about the type of people who can set that up you probably shouldnt be giving that info out on a phone call.
      - seyebermancer 2y ago
        “Setting up speech recognition alone is a task that most people are incapable of doing” If you were MITM is HS- your modern day equivalent is way stronger than you think. Easy for kids to clone voices and deepfake these days. Anybody can ask any one of the free chatbots out there for a step by step guide to implement this- they will even write the Python script for you, tell you what IDE to download and how to run it out of the terminal.
- kube-system 2y ago

123pie123 2y ago

>Put more simply: the modern internet doesn’t work without encryption being pandantic that should read - the modern usage of the internet.. the internet does work ok without encryption, has it has done from a long time ago

kube-system 2y ago
That’s exactly the pedantry that muddies the water and confuses people on this issue. Colloquially, it is a distinction without a difference. The internet as normal people know it does not work without encryption.
- 123pie123 2y ago
  I do agree, it depends on the context, eg talking to my family vs this forum This site is not full of "normal people" and it shouldn't confuse people/ muddy the water if being dicussed here
  - kube-system 2y ago
    I agree, but I am saying this here because the OP is written for a nontechnical audience.

gruez 2y ago

>Put more simply: the modern internet doesn’t work without encryption, it is a fundamental part of the technology. Without it, anyone could log into any of your accounts, take your money, messages, photos, anything. I'm pretty pro encryption, but even this is pretty dishonest. Phones (ie. PSTN, not iPhones) aren't "encrypted" by any means, but there's plenty of sensitive information sent over it. Lawyers fax each other important documents, and doctors fax each other medical recorcds. There was (is?) even telephone banking where you could do basic transactions over the phone. Even today, some banks/brokerages require you to phone in to do certain high risk operations (eg. high value transfers or account resets). All of this happens without encryption. While that's less security that I'd like, it's safe to say that "anyone could log into any of your accounts, take your money, messages, photos, anything" isn't true either.

HDThoreaun 2y ago
1. How often are people saying their bank login on their phone calls? 2. Is there a way for phone call man in the middlers to get that info without wasting a ton of time listening to calls? With internet MITM it is very easy to set up a program that scrapes unencrypted login info.
- gruez 2y ago
  >1. How often are people saying their bank login on their phone calls? Have you ever called into a bank or brokerage? Most ask "security questions", often ones that you can't even choose, like your address or how many accounts you have with them. It's arguably far worse than speaking your password into the phone. >2. Is there a way for phone call man in the middlers to get that info without wasting a ton of time listening to calls? Automated speech recognition has been around for decades. Even before that signals intelligence agencies have shown that widespread wiretapping/eavesdropping is possible and effective.
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    Its about threat levels I guess. I was man in the middling passwords in high school without knowing much of anything about technology. Setting up speech recognition alone is a task that most people are incapable of doing. If youre worried about the type of people who can set that up you probably shouldnt be giving that info out on a phone call.
    - seyebermancer 2y ago
      “Setting up speech recognition alone is a task that most people are incapable of doing” If you were MITM is HS- your modern day equivalent is way stronger than you think. Easy for kids to clone voices and deepfake these days. Anybody can ask any one of the free chatbots out there for a step by step guide to implement this- they will even write the Python script for you, tell you what IDE to download and how to run it out of the terminal.
kube-system 2y ago