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US judge finds administration wilfully defied court order in deportation flights

216 points by stubish 2y ago

ty6853 2y ago
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- ranger_danger 2y ago
  I'm not sure what you're implying that he could be "shaking down" Trump for, but I think Bukele already knows they imprison innocent people... it has been reported that they have released at least 8,000 of them in the last 3 years, which also seems to contradict the often cited claim that "nobody ever leaves" CECOT. https://www.swissinfo.ch/spa/bukele-reconoce-8%2e000-inocentes-liberados-en-la-%22guerra%22-antipandillas-en-el-salvador/88121454 https://www.swissinfo.ch/spa/bukele-reconoce-8%2e000-inocent...
  - ty6853 2y ago
    Bukele is extremely intelligent. His service is underpriced, based off memos only $20k / person / year and in a nearly brand new maximum security prison. I sincerely think he may have known just how stupidly the US would execute this and will come prepared with demands for their release -- secretly and in a way that we will not find out. Even if he has to wait for the next administration. He knows our courts and much of the public will put politicians under fire for this.
    - w0de0 2y ago
      To the other respondent’s point about Noriega, a central american autocrat cannot “shakedown” the American government. The balance of force is entirely in the gringos’ favor - if they choose to use it. If Bukele refuses, it’s simply because this is what Trump wishes him to do. Bush I _invaded_ Panama to enforce a district court’s arrest warrant.
- foogazi 2y ago
  > and is trying to shake down Trump or later more empathetic administration as part of the deal to release them. remember Manuel Noriega ? This guy is NOT shaking anyone down
  - ty6853 2y ago
    From my time in central America, it is a top down shakedown operation for literally anything and everything. Very pragmatic people really. They will profit both ways, coming and going. That's the key thing the senator from Maryland forgot when he thought he could reason with them from a sense of justice. They're going to want favors or money. I knew why the senator failed as soon as he said it, he should have talked to literally anyone with family in a former Spanish colony before he went down there.
wewewedxfgdf 2y ago
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SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
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- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  The admin's ever increasing desperate shrillness is making somewhat of a standoff. He's gone from a gang member to a human-smuggling terrorist gang leader real fast. While also being an apprentice steelworker, supporting his wife & her kids from a previous marriage? The admin is absolutely over the top with lies deceit & no good. Unwilling to be at all reasonable at any point. They are desperate to make sure no one ever has a chance to make them look like the clown car full of incompetents with no one but syccophantic pathetic mouthy yes men that they are. But the admin is destined to eat shit again and again. You can't just disappear people cleanly & conveniently; even sending them into an awful concentration camp where no one can hear from them ever won't hide the lies & insanity these monsters spew.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    There is 0% chance in my mind that they would dig in like this unless the guy is dead, bukele is demanding a ransom to fix it, or something really bad happened there. There is no rational reason for the administration to endure this, especially since they can easily just blame the return on the bleeding heart judges.
    - reed1234 2y ago
      The Trump admin doesn't admit when they are wrong.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        They already admitted in black and white in court to judge Xinus they were wrong. They're refusing to fix it. Why admit you're wrong but refuse to take a simple action to fix it unless it can't be fixed? Literally all they have to do is bring him back and refulfill the deportation by dropping him in some barren desert in Somalia, anywhere but taking him to the one place they couldn't.
deepsun 2y ago
Oook, one more criminal prosecution to the heap will not make any difference.
hayst4ck 2y ago
Without rule of law no other issue matters. You think you are a citizen today because you've always been a citizen, you have papers to prove it. It's never even been questioned. What if those papers get destroyed? What if the officer interpreting your papers is employed by someone who doesn't like you because you're disobedient. Without rule of law your status as a citizen doesn't protect you. Without a functioning judiciary capable of providing consequences to those who violate rule of law, you have no one to appeal to. This administration complains about single judges restricting their actions. That should literally terrify you. The judges are not stopping the administration, they are ruling that the law is stopping the administration. When the administration says it is judges stopping it, it is claiming that there is no law, only the actions of loyal or disobedient men. We are in a constitutional crisis. We are effectively lawless. Right now, we cannot depend on the law to restrict powerful people's actions. We have no way to predict what is possible for someone with a gun who is loyal to the president to do without consequences and therefore no way to act as if the law protects us.
- graycat 2y ago
  > the law Would be nice!!! However, as is easy to see from recent, well known examples, the results of our legal system depend heavily on personal attitudes, predilections, and opinions of individual judges, lawyers, etc., and, net, "the law" is inconsistent, unpredictable, unreliable (some might say emotional and irrational), often too slow, too expensive, and a source not of justice or "the law" but of lawfare battles, war by special means. As in shooting wars, both sides lose. E.g., can see Dershowitz to Newsmax: Boasberg Should Be Held in Contempt at https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/alan-dershowitz-james-boasberg-illegal-alien/2025/04/16/id/1207195/ https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/alan-dershowitz-james-boa... where Judge Boasberg and Emeritus Harvard Law Professor Dershowitz strongly disagree. For another example, one part of this Boasberg case had the SCOTUS rule 5-4 -- that is inconsistent and unpredictable. In math, physical science, and now often in biology and medical science, we have many examples of one things, clear, explicit, highly predictable -- the Pythagorean theorem, Einstein's Special Relativity, protein folding, Phase III trials, placebo controlled, randomized, double blind. But, in strong contrast, "the law" is unpredictable, in each case, no "one thing", closer to medieval ugly torture and nonsense than math, science, technology, etc. of 2025. The law profession should be ashamed. "Your Honor"? Not really. As I understand the situation, the SCOTUS is created by our Constitution, but the rest of our legal system, including Judge Boasberg, is the creation of and funded by Congress. So, Congress can cut off the funds and maybe just abolish Boasberg's court. My guess is that the media has raised attention, the voters want something better in our legal system, and soon Congress will make some changes. With also the POTUS, the legal system, "the law", currently widely less liked than a skunk at a garden party, can be turned inside out, fumigated, disinfected, bleached, scrubbed, washed, rinsed, hung out to dry, stitched, patched, ironed, folded, and used as, hmm, a seat cushion. Sorry 'bout that. As a startup founder, my view is, at any or all costs, to stay low, quiet, out of sight, and anonymous, have only an LLC and never a corporation, and be far from any entanglements with "the law".
silisili 2y ago
It's always seemed weird to me that the founding fathers designed this system without thinking what would happen in such a scenario. You have three branches, for checks and balances, and gave one of them command of the entire US military. It seems not so much a stretch of imagination that that one may go rogue one day.
- garrettgarcia 2y ago
  No piece of paper can protect a people from enslaving themselves if they are determined to.
  - jzackpete 2y ago
    yes, as a citizen of the USA, deporting the non-citizens feels exactly like slavery
    - timbit42 2y ago
      It won't stop there. Your turn will come.
- rat87 2y ago
  Theoretically the electoral college was supposed to prevent guys like Trump from becoming president. Isn't that ironic?
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    > Isn't that ironic It was badly engineered. And it was overly confident on trust over the course of events and human nature - while you are obliged to do the opposite.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    Wasn't it established to prevent de-segregation? Three-fifths compromise and all that?
- mschuster91 2y ago
fzeroracer 2y ago
The fact remains that every single American should be opposed to this. If the admin can freely deport someone who was here legally and with proper papers and ignore their habeas corpus rights then there is nothing stopping them from doing so to US citizens. Once you accept that rights no longer matter, you are giving up your own rights and the rights of your fellow Americans. This is THE line in the sand. Either you agree that people have rights afforded to them by the constitution or you are a fascist. And there is no mincing words on this.
- addandsubtract 2y ago
  The line and goalposts have been moved so many times, they will just continue to be moved. The White House spokesperson is already saying Kilmar is an MS-13 gang member as ruled by some secret ICE court. People will take is as gospel and legitimize his "deportation". There is no more line that people will stand behind until it's too late.
mdp2021 2y ago
Meanwhile, # El Salvador rejects US senator's plea to free wrongly deported migrant https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/el-salvador-rejects-us-senators-plea-free-wrongly-deported-migrant-5070606 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/el-salvador-rejects-us... > [Senator] Van Hollen[, who represents Abrego Garcia's home state of Maryland,] said he had asked Vice President Felix Ulloa ... why Abrego Garcia was still locked up in the notorious Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) if he had committed no crime and El Salvador had no evidence that he was a member of the street gang MS-13. // "His answer was that the Trump administration is paying El Salvador, the government of El Salvador, to keep him at CECOT" > Bukele said during a White House visit on Monday he did not have the power to return Abrego Garcia to the United States. // Trump told reporters he did not have the authority to intervene, leaving the man in limbo
phtrivier 2y ago
Horrible as it may sound, I'm not sure this is the court case that has the most chances of brining people on the judge's "side". (Don't get me wrong, I know there should not be "sides" when talking about the rule of law.) But here, Trump can play the "tribal" card to his base very easily (I'm expecting a variation of "non white woke judges are once again defending dangerous illegal gang members immigrants against hard working white Americans, this is a witch hunt, fight !") I think the average republican voter won't care. We already know they don't care about document mishandling, cyber security, sharing war plans, gutting science, etc... They used to care about sex and religion, but don't any more. However, we know they care about kids. Is there a lawsuit brewing about harm done by the trump administration to kids of white, non immigrants, conservative, affluent, christian, devouts, mainstream and influencial Americans ? (That being said, I was very surprised to read that the SCOTUS itself confirmed Trump should not have deported at least one of those people [1].) [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250410235416/https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/10/supreme-court-trump-kilmar-abrego-garcia.html https://web.archive.org/web/20250410235416/https://www.cnbc....
- thinkingemote 2y ago
  > Is there a lawsuit brewing about harm done by the trump administration to kids of white, non immigrants, conservative, affluent, christian, devouts, mainstream and influencial Americans ? Interesting. In effect I think you are asking how the opposition should appeal to the supporters. One way would be as you suggest to angle the message towards their identity, their group affiliation. This would work for the groups you suggest but this would a) only strengthen group identities that are being targeted and b) weaken the oppositions beliefs in their own groups. The opposition views politics as groups of people with characteristics at fight with each other. The election showed that for supporters the hard identity groupings are, at best that softer than before and at worst don't actually exist in reality. A more effective argument would lead to the opposition using the belief system of their target. For example "All people have equality and valuable personhood and illegal actions damage this inherent value". This is basically the classical liberal mindset based on Christian values. But this isn't really the mindset of those in opposition while they continue to view the world as being run by power between conflicting identity groups. They believe that people are not equal, that equity is more important, that people belong to groups with inherent characteristics of varying levels of power, and that to solve issues the power needs to move between groups. In other words, yes, an appeal to the group identities of the supporters will probably work for some but it will strengthen their group identity (increased race-nationalism), and the supporters actually cover a much wider range than the identities you give. An alternative appeal to the values of the supporters would work much better but would lead to a weakening of the oppositions own beliefs. Looking at it from a religion lens: the opposition cannot use Christian appeals to morality while they reject Christianity. "In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it's impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves." Enders Game
koonsolo 2y ago
April 19 https://www.fiftyfifty.one/ https://www.fiftyfifty.one/ No excuses.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
  Absolutely. Now is the time to get off the couch and be vocal. Don't depend on others to push back. We all need to pitch in.
pjmlp 2y ago
In a dictorship doesn't matter what the judge thinks, which is the unfortunate state of affairs, it appears the US citzens have yet to realise who is in power. If it was another small country, the rest of the world would probably ignore what is currently happening in USA. However it isn't a small country, rather one of the major countries and world powers, hence everyone gets hurt when failing to learn from history.
Timber-6539 2y ago
Old news. The same judge preposterously claimed to have the same "powers" as Trump and forced the DOJ to write this letter on this very case. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/doj-petition-dc-circuit-remove-boasberg-venezuelan-migrants-case.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/do...
Ferret7446 2y ago
Isn't this the one that was already cleared by the Supreme Court? https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/supreme-court-lifts-temporary-block-on-trumps-use-of-alien-enemies-act-to-deport-immigrants-clears-path-to-further-challenges https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/supreme-court-lifts-temp... and this single district judge is trying to enact a political movement. Flights take off. Dude issues temporary ban on Alien Enemies deportations. Flights do not turn around. Supreme Court clears temporary ban. Dude now claims admin defied his court order.
- boroboro4 2y ago
  Because admin clearly defied his court order? What’s an issue with this and what kind of mindset makes you oppose this? Isn’t this clear - you’re suppose to do what courts told you? You’re not entitled to choose what to do and what not? Regardless if you’re private citizen or government. You do what you asked for, you appeal if you disagree. You impeach if you think judge is off the rails and/or corrupt. But before all of this you do what you asked to do by courts. Isn’t it chilling to the bone to pretend admin can do whatever they (themself) consider right? I’m terrified by this possibility, and I think you should be too.
rchaud 2y ago
Reminiscent of Stalin's utterance to Churchill at Yalta about not risking the pope's displeasure about Soviet resettlement plans for Polish Catholics: "How many divisions does the Pope have?" Today in America, that could be rephrased as "The Courts? How many loosely organized, non-uniformed paramilitaries do they have?"
greatgib 2y ago
Imagine if we sentence the assholes officials that did not respect the court order to some time in jail in the Venezuela. That would teach them a real lesson in my opinion!
gahhsbbs 2y ago
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216 points by stubish 2y ago

ty6853 2y ago

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ranger_danger 2y ago
I'm not sure what you're implying that he could be "shaking down" Trump for, but I think Bukele already knows they imprison innocent people... it has been reported that they have released at least 8,000 of them in the last 3 years, which also seems to contradict the often cited claim that "nobody ever leaves" CECOT. https://www.swissinfo.ch/spa/bukele-reconoce-8%2e000-inocentes-liberados-en-la-%22guerra%22-antipandillas-en-el-salvador/88121454 https://www.swissinfo.ch/spa/bukele-reconoce-8%2e000-inocent...
- ty6853 2y ago
  Bukele is extremely intelligent. His service is underpriced, based off memos only $20k / person / year and in a nearly brand new maximum security prison. I sincerely think he may have known just how stupidly the US would execute this and will come prepared with demands for their release -- secretly and in a way that we will not find out. Even if he has to wait for the next administration. He knows our courts and much of the public will put politicians under fire for this.
  - w0de0 2y ago
    To the other respondent’s point about Noriega, a central american autocrat cannot “shakedown” the American government. The balance of force is entirely in the gringos’ favor - if they choose to use it. If Bukele refuses, it’s simply because this is what Trump wishes him to do. Bush I _invaded_ Panama to enforce a district court’s arrest warrant.
foogazi 2y ago
> and is trying to shake down Trump or later more empathetic administration as part of the deal to release them. remember Manuel Noriega ? This guy is NOT shaking anyone down
- ty6853 2y ago
  From my time in central America, it is a top down shakedown operation for literally anything and everything. Very pragmatic people really. They will profit both ways, coming and going. That's the key thing the senator from Maryland forgot when he thought he could reason with them from a sense of justice. They're going to want favors or money. I knew why the senator failed as soon as he said it, he should have talked to literally anyone with family in a former Spanish colony before he went down there.

wewewedxfgdf 2y ago

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SV_BubbleTime 2y ago

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jauntywundrkind 2y ago
The admin's ever increasing desperate shrillness is making somewhat of a standoff. He's gone from a gang member to a human-smuggling terrorist gang leader real fast. While also being an apprentice steelworker, supporting his wife & her kids from a previous marriage? The admin is absolutely over the top with lies deceit & no good. Unwilling to be at all reasonable at any point. They are desperate to make sure no one ever has a chance to make them look like the clown car full of incompetents with no one but syccophantic pathetic mouthy yes men that they are. But the admin is destined to eat shit again and again. You can't just disappear people cleanly & conveniently; even sending them into an awful concentration camp where no one can hear from them ever won't hide the lies & insanity these monsters spew.
- ty6853 2y ago
  There is 0% chance in my mind that they would dig in like this unless the guy is dead, bukele is demanding a ransom to fix it, or something really bad happened there. There is no rational reason for the administration to endure this, especially since they can easily just blame the return on the bleeding heart judges.
  - reed1234 2y ago
    The Trump admin doesn't admit when they are wrong.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      They already admitted in black and white in court to judge Xinus they were wrong. They're refusing to fix it. Why admit you're wrong but refuse to take a simple action to fix it unless it can't be fixed? Literally all they have to do is bring him back and refulfill the deportation by dropping him in some barren desert in Somalia, anywhere but taking him to the one place they couldn't.

deepsun 2y ago

Oook, one more criminal prosecution to the heap will not make any difference.

hayst4ck 2y ago

Without rule of law no other issue matters. You think you are a citizen today because you've always been a citizen, you have papers to prove it. It's never even been questioned. What if those papers get destroyed? What if the officer interpreting your papers is employed by someone who doesn't like you because you're disobedient. Without rule of law your status as a citizen doesn't protect you. Without a functioning judiciary capable of providing consequences to those who violate rule of law, you have no one to appeal to. This administration complains about single judges restricting their actions. That should literally terrify you. The judges are not stopping the administration, they are ruling that the law is stopping the administration. When the administration says it is judges stopping it, it is claiming that there is no law, only the actions of loyal or disobedient men. We are in a constitutional crisis. We are effectively lawless. Right now, we cannot depend on the law to restrict powerful people's actions. We have no way to predict what is possible for someone with a gun who is loyal to the president to do without consequences and therefore no way to act as if the law protects us.

graycat 2y ago
> the law Would be nice!!! However, as is easy to see from recent, well known examples, the results of our legal system depend heavily on personal attitudes, predilections, and opinions of individual judges, lawyers, etc., and, net, "the law" is inconsistent, unpredictable, unreliable (some might say emotional and irrational), often too slow, too expensive, and a source not of justice or "the law" but of lawfare battles, war by special means. As in shooting wars, both sides lose. E.g., can see Dershowitz to Newsmax: Boasberg Should Be Held in Contempt at https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/alan-dershowitz-james-boasberg-illegal-alien/2025/04/16/id/1207195/ https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/alan-dershowitz-james-boa... where Judge Boasberg and Emeritus Harvard Law Professor Dershowitz strongly disagree. For another example, one part of this Boasberg case had the SCOTUS rule 5-4 -- that is inconsistent and unpredictable. In math, physical science, and now often in biology and medical science, we have many examples of one things, clear, explicit, highly predictable -- the Pythagorean theorem, Einstein's Special Relativity, protein folding, Phase III trials, placebo controlled, randomized, double blind. But, in strong contrast, "the law" is unpredictable, in each case, no "one thing", closer to medieval ugly torture and nonsense than math, science, technology, etc. of 2025. The law profession should be ashamed. "Your Honor"? Not really. As I understand the situation, the SCOTUS is created by our Constitution, but the rest of our legal system, including Judge Boasberg, is the creation of and funded by Congress. So, Congress can cut off the funds and maybe just abolish Boasberg's court. My guess is that the media has raised attention, the voters want something better in our legal system, and soon Congress will make some changes. With also the POTUS, the legal system, "the law", currently widely less liked than a skunk at a garden party, can be turned inside out, fumigated, disinfected, bleached, scrubbed, washed, rinsed, hung out to dry, stitched, patched, ironed, folded, and used as, hmm, a seat cushion. Sorry 'bout that. As a startup founder, my view is, at any or all costs, to stay low, quiet, out of sight, and anonymous, have only an LLC and never a corporation, and be far from any entanglements with "the law".

silisili 2y ago

It's always seemed weird to me that the founding fathers designed this system without thinking what would happen in such a scenario. You have three branches, for checks and balances, and gave one of them command of the entire US military. It seems not so much a stretch of imagination that that one may go rogue one day.

garrettgarcia 2y ago
No piece of paper can protect a people from enslaving themselves if they are determined to.
- jzackpete 2y ago
  yes, as a citizen of the USA, deporting the non-citizens feels exactly like slavery
  - timbit42 2y ago
    It won't stop there. Your turn will come.
rat87 2y ago
Theoretically the electoral college was supposed to prevent guys like Trump from becoming president. Isn't that ironic?
- mdp2021 2y ago
  > Isn't that ironic It was badly engineered. And it was overly confident on trust over the course of events and human nature - while you are obliged to do the opposite.
- pjc50 2y ago
  Wasn't it established to prevent de-segregation? Three-fifths compromise and all that?
mschuster91 2y ago

fzeroracer 2y ago

The fact remains that every single American should be opposed to this. If the admin can freely deport someone who was here legally and with proper papers and ignore their habeas corpus rights then there is nothing stopping them from doing so to US citizens. Once you accept that rights no longer matter, you are giving up your own rights and the rights of your fellow Americans. This is THE line in the sand. Either you agree that people have rights afforded to them by the constitution or you are a fascist. And there is no mincing words on this.

addandsubtract 2y ago
The line and goalposts have been moved so many times, they will just continue to be moved. The White House spokesperson is already saying Kilmar is an MS-13 gang member as ruled by some secret ICE court. People will take is as gospel and legitimize his "deportation". There is no more line that people will stand behind until it's too late.

mdp2021 2y ago

Meanwhile, # El Salvador rejects US senator's plea to free wrongly deported migrant https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/el-salvador-rejects-us-senators-plea-free-wrongly-deported-migrant-5070606 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/el-salvador-rejects-us... > [Senator] Van Hollen[, who represents Abrego Garcia's home state of Maryland,] said he had asked Vice President Felix Ulloa ... why Abrego Garcia was still locked up in the notorious Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) if he had committed no crime and El Salvador had no evidence that he was a member of the street gang MS-13. // "His answer was that the Trump administration is paying El Salvador, the government of El Salvador, to keep him at CECOT" > Bukele said during a White House visit on Monday he did not have the power to return Abrego Garcia to the United States. // Trump told reporters he did not have the authority to intervene, leaving the man in limbo

phtrivier 2y ago

Horrible as it may sound, I'm not sure this is the court case that has the most chances of brining people on the judge's "side". (Don't get me wrong, I know there should not be "sides" when talking about the rule of law.) But here, Trump can play the "tribal" card to his base very easily (I'm expecting a variation of "non white woke judges are once again defending dangerous illegal gang members immigrants against hard working white Americans, this is a witch hunt, fight !") I think the average republican voter won't care. We already know they don't care about document mishandling, cyber security, sharing war plans, gutting science, etc... They used to care about sex and religion, but don't any more. However, we know they care about kids. Is there a lawsuit brewing about harm done by the trump administration to kids of white, non immigrants, conservative, affluent, christian, devouts, mainstream and influencial Americans ? (That being said, I was very surprised to read that the SCOTUS itself confirmed Trump should not have deported at least one of those people [1].) [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250410235416/https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/10/supreme-court-trump-kilmar-abrego-garcia.html https://web.archive.org/web/20250410235416/https://www.cnbc....

thinkingemote 2y ago
> Is there a lawsuit brewing about harm done by the trump administration to kids of white, non immigrants, conservative, affluent, christian, devouts, mainstream and influencial Americans ? Interesting. In effect I think you are asking how the opposition should appeal to the supporters. One way would be as you suggest to angle the message towards their identity, their group affiliation. This would work for the groups you suggest but this would a) only strengthen group identities that are being targeted and b) weaken the oppositions beliefs in their own groups. The opposition views politics as groups of people with characteristics at fight with each other. The election showed that for supporters the hard identity groupings are, at best that softer than before and at worst don't actually exist in reality. A more effective argument would lead to the opposition using the belief system of their target. For example "All people have equality and valuable personhood and illegal actions damage this inherent value". This is basically the classical liberal mindset based on Christian values. But this isn't really the mindset of those in opposition while they continue to view the world as being run by power between conflicting identity groups. They believe that people are not equal, that equity is more important, that people belong to groups with inherent characteristics of varying levels of power, and that to solve issues the power needs to move between groups. In other words, yes, an appeal to the group identities of the supporters will probably work for some but it will strengthen their group identity (increased race-nationalism), and the supporters actually cover a much wider range than the identities you give. An alternative appeal to the values of the supporters would work much better but would lead to a weakening of the oppositions own beliefs. Looking at it from a religion lens: the opposition cannot use Christian appeals to morality while they reject Christianity. "In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it's impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves." Enders Game

koonsolo 2y ago

April 19 https://www.fiftyfifty.one/ https://www.fiftyfifty.one/ No excuses.

sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
Absolutely. Now is the time to get off the couch and be vocal. Don't depend on others to push back. We all need to pitch in.

pjmlp 2y ago

In a dictorship doesn't matter what the judge thinks, which is the unfortunate state of affairs, it appears the US citzens have yet to realise who is in power. If it was another small country, the rest of the world would probably ignore what is currently happening in USA. However it isn't a small country, rather one of the major countries and world powers, hence everyone gets hurt when failing to learn from history.

Timber-6539 2y ago

Old news. The same judge preposterously claimed to have the same "powers" as Trump and forced the DOJ to write this letter on this very case. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/doj-petition-dc-circuit-remove-boasberg-venezuelan-migrants-case.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/do...

Ferret7446 2y ago

Isn't this the one that was already cleared by the Supreme Court? https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/supreme-court-lifts-temporary-block-on-trumps-use-of-alien-enemies-act-to-deport-immigrants-clears-path-to-further-challenges https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/supreme-court-lifts-temp... and this single district judge is trying to enact a political movement. Flights take off. Dude issues temporary ban on Alien Enemies deportations. Flights do not turn around. Supreme Court clears temporary ban. Dude now claims admin defied his court order.

boroboro4 2y ago
Because admin clearly defied his court order? What’s an issue with this and what kind of mindset makes you oppose this? Isn’t this clear - you’re suppose to do what courts told you? You’re not entitled to choose what to do and what not? Regardless if you’re private citizen or government. You do what you asked for, you appeal if you disagree. You impeach if you think judge is off the rails and/or corrupt. But before all of this you do what you asked to do by courts. Isn’t it chilling to the bone to pretend admin can do whatever they (themself) consider right? I’m terrified by this possibility, and I think you should be too.

rchaud 2y ago

Reminiscent of Stalin's utterance to Churchill at Yalta about not risking the pope's displeasure about Soviet resettlement plans for Polish Catholics: "How many divisions does the Pope have?" Today in America, that could be rephrased as "The Courts? How many loosely organized, non-uniformed paramilitaries do they have?"

greatgib 2y ago

Imagine if we sentence the assholes officials that did not respect the court order to some time in jail in the Venezuela. That would teach them a real lesson in my opinion!

gahhsbbs 2y ago

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