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Perfect exmple of the "one-deep" conservative response. PP is looking for a pattern, finding, and abstaining from questioning or contextualizing it: Engaging

Perfect exmple of the "one-deep" conservative response. PP is looking for a pattern, finding, and abstaining from questioning or contextualizing it: Engaging only with the first or most obvious layer of an issue—never going deeper into context, nuance, or systemic causes. The quickest counterexample that comes to mind is Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. It has returned billions to American citizens.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
I'm gonna have to stop engaging with you here if you start a comment by accusing someone to be a conservative. If your first reaction is putting people into political/ideological camps in order to make their arguments weaker and easier to attack form a holier than though political/ideological angle, it's game over for me as I like to judge actions objectively based on the outcomes, not conservative vs democrat, left vs right, etc. since corruption and incompetence is colorblind. I don't care which side of the political isle did what, I'm pointing at the systemic failures of the entire system built like a house of cards by all political parties, which collapsed as no thought was put into building it, and only chased short term profits at the expense of long term security. Trying to finger point a single political side only detracts from the issue which is the classic "divide and conquer" tactic politicians have been using to deflect blame and get away with it.
- bsenftner 1y ago
  It is damningly simple, the root cause beneath far too many issues our advanced civilization faces: we have a global adult immaturity issue, species wide. The leaders that are crony capitalist and widely populist are in truth terribly immature public figures. Our incredibly short sighted (also an immature behavior) news and analyst media pretends to be adult while never really having any solutions that are not plain school yard bullying and tribe glorifying. And the public is only allowed outsider fringe opportunities to include their voice in these public non-debates. We do not produce adults anymore, we produce a civilization of Lindsay Lohans that think they are adult men and women.
  - dsr_ 1y ago
    If capitalism is allowed to operate without regulation, it corrodes. If government is allowed to operate without regulation, it corrodes. The pattern is clear. Unchecked power imbalances are bad for everyone, but the folks at the top of a power imbalance generally advocate for it, and change the environment to ensure their power and reduce everyone else.
    - bsenftner 1y ago
      What is that aspect of humanity that causes unchecked power to imbalance anyone and everyone? I'm saying it is unchecked immaturity. Recognition is step one. If the species identifies en mass there is an unchecked immaturity issue in adults, a huge amount of it will evaporate, and people will be given an excuse to start calling other adults on their immaturity. Harsh, but necessary as the immature are actively justifying destroying people all over the place.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        Let's say you're right and people's immaturity immaturity is the issue. The problem is, if you try to check people's immaturity and call it out, you get labeled a bigot, a fascist, or a $fobe. So people's immaturity is a consequence of the modern toxic positivity and cancel culture the west has bred where you aren't allowed to say anything that might hurt someone's feelings, so people grow up in a bubble of fakeness that's detached from real world issues. You're pointing out the end effect but not the cause that has led to that.
        bsenftner 1y ago
        I'm trying to create a recognition of immaturity as an adult problem issue, and if that recognition takes place then society will generally recognize the issue, and that becomes internalized as an issue people understand. The goal is not to call people out, the goal is recognition as a real, active issue at the root of a lot of public figure behavior. Those behaviors need to be called out, and those public figures shamed for their immature behaviors and immature opinions - which non-public figures then mimic in ordinary life. Which is an immaturity that I do not expect to be called out, which sound like you're focusing. Beneath the immature world view and attitude is self deception, a far harder issue to call out. That self deception is caused by religious claims of answers to unanswerable questions. To accept an unanswerable question's "answer" from another is a self deception, driven by anxiety and fear. Life has uncomfortable unanswerable questions, and facing those unanswerable questions is a critical part of becoming mature - there are no answers to these questions about what happens or if there is an afterlife. By supplying answers to these critically unanswerable questions, religions create immature individuals that are in fact trapped within the cult of that religion's reasoning, which tends to be terribly immature in far too many logical manners. Then you get morons.
- Lendal 1y ago
  The death of Occam's razor, because protecting one sensitive person's tribal political identity is more important than solving the problem.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

I'm gonna have to stop engaging with you here if you start a comment by accusing someone to be a conservative. If your first reaction is putting people into political/ideological camps in order to make their arguments weaker and easier to attack form a holier than though political/ideological angle, it's game over for me as I like to judge actions objectively based on the outcomes, not conservative vs democrat, left vs right, etc. since corruption and incompetence is colorblind. I don't care which side of the political isle did what, I'm pointing at the systemic failures of the entire system built like a house of cards by all political parties, which collapsed as no thought was put into building it, and only chased short term profits at the expense of long term security. Trying to finger point a single political side only detracts from the issue which is the classic "divide and conquer" tactic politicians have been using to deflect blame and get away with it.

bsenftner 1y ago
It is damningly simple, the root cause beneath far too many issues our advanced civilization faces: we have a global adult immaturity issue, species wide. The leaders that are crony capitalist and widely populist are in truth terribly immature public figures. Our incredibly short sighted (also an immature behavior) news and analyst media pretends to be adult while never really having any solutions that are not plain school yard bullying and tribe glorifying. And the public is only allowed outsider fringe opportunities to include their voice in these public non-debates. We do not produce adults anymore, we produce a civilization of Lindsay Lohans that think they are adult men and women.
- dsr_ 1y ago
  If capitalism is allowed to operate without regulation, it corrodes. If government is allowed to operate without regulation, it corrodes. The pattern is clear. Unchecked power imbalances are bad for everyone, but the folks at the top of a power imbalance generally advocate for it, and change the environment to ensure their power and reduce everyone else.
  - bsenftner 1y ago
    What is that aspect of humanity that causes unchecked power to imbalance anyone and everyone? I'm saying it is unchecked immaturity. Recognition is step one. If the species identifies en mass there is an unchecked immaturity issue in adults, a huge amount of it will evaporate, and people will be given an excuse to start calling other adults on their immaturity. Harsh, but necessary as the immature are actively justifying destroying people all over the place.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Let's say you're right and people's immaturity immaturity is the issue. The problem is, if you try to check people's immaturity and call it out, you get labeled a bigot, a fascist, or a $fobe. So people's immaturity is a consequence of the modern toxic positivity and cancel culture the west has bred where you aren't allowed to say anything that might hurt someone's feelings, so people grow up in a bubble of fakeness that's detached from real world issues. You're pointing out the end effect but not the cause that has led to that.
      - bsenftner 1y ago
        I'm trying to create a recognition of immaturity as an adult problem issue, and if that recognition takes place then society will generally recognize the issue, and that becomes internalized as an issue people understand. The goal is not to call people out, the goal is recognition as a real, active issue at the root of a lot of public figure behavior. Those behaviors need to be called out, and those public figures shamed for their immature behaviors and immature opinions - which non-public figures then mimic in ordinary life. Which is an immaturity that I do not expect to be called out, which sound like you're focusing. Beneath the immature world view and attitude is self deception, a far harder issue to call out. That self deception is caused by religious claims of answers to unanswerable questions. To accept an unanswerable question's "answer" from another is a self deception, driven by anxiety and fear. Life has uncomfortable unanswerable questions, and facing those unanswerable questions is a critical part of becoming mature - there are no answers to these questions about what happens or if there is an afterlife. By supplying answers to these critically unanswerable questions, religions create immature individuals that are in fact trapped within the cult of that religion's reasoning, which tends to be terribly immature in far too many logical manners. Then you get morons.
Lendal 1y ago
The death of Occam's razor, because protecting one sensitive person's tribal political identity is more important than solving the problem.