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I don't think the EU has any interest in this. They've been aware of the risk of relying on the US for software security for years, but AFAIK there have been no

by elric 2y ago

I don't think the EU has any interest in this. They've been aware of the risk of relying on the US for software security for years, but AFAIK there have been no efforts to do anything about it. Maybe the current situation will kick some butts into gear ... Off topic: your username is very appropriate given the situation.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>They've been aware of the risk of relying on the US for software security for years, but AFAIK there have been no efforts to do anything about it. Indeed. Just as Germany knew their economy is vulnerable to Russian gas and did nothing about it, even after the 2014 invasion of Crimea. Just as the west knew moving their entire manufacturing sector to one country would make them vulnerable, but choose to ignore it because it was too profitable. I never EVER saw politicians act proactively for the good of the nation or the people, all they do is act reactively after the shit hits the fan to control public opinion and blame someone else to make sure they get re-elected, that's it. Once you realize our rulers aren't competent at their jobs or acting in the peoples' best interest, it all makes sense. They're in it for the grift and to enrich their monopolistic friends in the private sector, to make sure line goes up in the next quarter, that's it. Yes, I know there are good politicians out there who care and fight for their local communities, but they never make it to rule at national or international stage and actually change the rotten system because the status quo doesn't allow that.
- concordDance 2y ago
  > I never EVER saw politicians act proactively for the good of the nation or the people, This is almost certainly because those cases don't make the news.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    They do where I live, but those are drops in the bucket compared to the industrial scale theft(wealth transfer) the central government operates.
    - ameister14 2y ago
      Well, in the United States it doesn't make the news.
  - exceptione 2y ago
    Yup. Politicians react to the public when it stands up. Otherwise it will follow other agenda's. That is why it is critical to have an informed public. When journalism has to compete with corporate owned Fake News and Entertainment, journalism dies, and democracy will follow. Then, add the spy business of Big Tech in the mix, with algorithmic silo's. The people don't even realize they are locked up in a jar, where they live on a diet of cultural engineering. Now, pause a moment and think about what happens when you add AI-models to the mix. Your daughter, your neighbor will be totally brain-wrecked.
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      >When journalism has to compete with corporate owned Fake News and Entertainment, journalism dies, and democracy will follow. Which journalism are you referring to? The one owned by Rupert Murdoch? The Washington Post owned by Jeff Bezos? MSNBC? CNN? Are they better just because they're owned by different billionaires and interest groups? I got news for you, the journalism you knew died a long time ago.
      - xolox 2y ago
        American independent journalism seems to be dying (unfortunately) but I think in Europe there are several large news organizations reporting on things that matter in a relatively independent fashion, at least a lot more independent than what we see happening in the US (I'm thinking of e.g. The Guardian, Le Monde, I could also name a couple of Dutch news sources, but they would mean nothing to 95% of the readers here).
      - exceptione 2y ago
        That is not news to me (see my post history). The information landscape in America is segmented, and works to keep the Big Picture out the frame. To quote myself: - No real journalism, instead, career in media house depend on commercial ownership. Narratives tailored to segment, but no deep and critical analysis. - "Let us talk about the tariffs today, they make zero economic sense" - "I think what he meant is..." - "Of course this is not entirely correct, but..." - "President Trump has said.." - "Rubio did a press conference today" - Only drama, never the Big Picture. - Elections? According to the press, those are just - The latest polls! - Repeat marketing from spin doctors at affiliated media houses - "Debate" = Reality TV, scores are given on wit and emotional play As an English speaker, you have one option and that is to read The Guardian.
  - jibal 2y ago
    It's certainly because they have a belief based in ideology, not fact.
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  Germany had with under the best deal for gas possible with Russia, I don’t understand the sentiment calling it a vulnerability. There is still a working pipeline available and Russia stated clearly if would continue delivering gas, if Germany wants to.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >I don’t understand the sentiment calling it a vulnerability - You're Germany. - You join NATO for protection from Russia, an actor with a long history of military aggression[1] - Your export economy is based on manufacturing. - The energy driving your manufacturing sector is ~60% cheap gas from Russia, your military aggressive partner. - Russia invades Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014 to no ones surprise - Leaders of USA and Eastern Europe warn you of Russia's influence on your economy - You ignore all this and build another gas pipeline from Russia - You are surprised Russia invades Ukraine(again) and gas sanctions cripple your manufacturing economy MFW German leaders and HN commenters see no vulnerability in this. Someone please stop the planet, I wish to get off, my sanity can't handle this level of stupidity anymore. [1] https://natoassociation.ca/a-timeline-of-russian-aggression/ https://natoassociation.ca/a-timeline-of-russian-aggression/
    - TacticalCoder 2y ago
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    - fuckbrownpeople 2y ago
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    - everythingisfin 2y ago
      > Someone please stop the planet, I wish to get off, my sanity can't handle this level of stupidity anymore. News from an American here, on an antidepressant and deathly fat from stress eating: I’m worried about the eventual welfare of those protesting. I’m hearing that people of color are being told by their pastor to stay home rather than protest so as not to risk being used as scapegoats. My family and friends are divided and still dividing over politics. I recently was crazily ranted to by big-personality entrepreneur immigrant that told me his story of how easy it was to come to the states, rags-to-riches, and how they were supporter of the administration because “they don’t want to pay taxes for illegals”. Part of the half of the U.S. that supports the administration isn’t just brainwashed, but has a very strong, angry, and desperate look, and the other part says “just wait four years and it will be over”, but it won’t; before the election, this party used gerrymandering and legal action to ensure that election, then post-election replaced election officials and many government officials. The DOE is claiming anti-semitism and the need to have viewpoint diversity to deny funding to schools that are known for their open viewpoints. And yet somehow I’m still surprised when they kill the CVE program. It’s an ever-escalating circus of chaos, because our administration thinks this was needed to ensure U.S. interests, because those vulnerable in the U.S. were manipulated by outside actors and internal power-hungry politicians and zealots, and all is spun to just feed into the chaotic nationalism that is trying to one-up every other dictator that has ever lived. To top all of this off, AI, which I use daily, will take my job before I retire, and I have no backup plan. Despite all of this, I have the will to live, to support those whom I love (even the crazy ones), and to try to make the world better. I continue to pray for direction on all of this.
- chillingeffect 2y ago
  Perfect exmple of the "one-deep" conservative response. PP is looking for a pattern, finding, and abstaining from questioning or contextualizing it: Engaging only with the first or most obvious layer of an issue—never going deeper into context, nuance, or systemic causes. The quickest counterexample that comes to mind is Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. It has returned billions to American citizens.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    I'm gonna have to stop engaging with you here if you start a comment by accusing someone to be a conservative. If your first reaction is putting people into political/ideological camps in order to make their arguments weaker and easier to attack form a holier than though political/ideological angle, it's game over for me as I like to judge actions objectively based on the outcomes, not conservative vs democrat, left vs right, etc. since corruption and incompetence is colorblind. I don't care which side of the political isle did what, I'm pointing at the systemic failures of the entire system built like a house of cards by all political parties, which collapsed as no thought was put into building it, and only chased short term profits at the expense of long term security. Trying to finger point a single political side only detracts from the issue which is the classic "divide and conquer" tactic politicians have been using to deflect blame and get away with it.
    - bsenftner 2y ago
      It is damningly simple, the root cause beneath far too many issues our advanced civilization faces: we have a global adult immaturity issue, species wide. The leaders that are crony capitalist and widely populist are in truth terribly immature public figures. Our incredibly short sighted (also an immature behavior) news and analyst media pretends to be adult while never really having any solutions that are not plain school yard bullying and tribe glorifying. And the public is only allowed outsider fringe opportunities to include their voice in these public non-debates. We do not produce adults anymore, we produce a civilization of Lindsay Lohans that think they are adult men and women.
belter 2y ago
https://www.enisa.europa.eu/topics/vulnerability-disclosure https://www.enisa.europa.eu/topics/vulnerability-disclosure
ta1243 2y ago
I thought exactly the same until https://euvd.enisa.europa.eu/ https://euvd.enisa.europa.eu/ Appeared on the front page, with © 2005-2024 by the European Union Agency for Cybersecurity. This is just an example of US cultural defaultism.

by elric 2y ago

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

>They've been aware of the risk of relying on the US for software security for years, but AFAIK there have been no efforts to do anything about it. Indeed. Just as Germany knew their economy is vulnerable to Russian gas and did nothing about it, even after the 2014 invasion of Crimea. Just as the west knew moving their entire manufacturing sector to one country would make them vulnerable, but choose to ignore it because it was too profitable. I never EVER saw politicians act proactively for the good of the nation or the people, all they do is act reactively after the shit hits the fan to control public opinion and blame someone else to make sure they get re-elected, that's it. Once you realize our rulers aren't competent at their jobs or acting in the peoples' best interest, it all makes sense. They're in it for the grift and to enrich their monopolistic friends in the private sector, to make sure line goes up in the next quarter, that's it. Yes, I know there are good politicians out there who care and fight for their local communities, but they never make it to rule at national or international stage and actually change the rotten system because the status quo doesn't allow that.

concordDance 2y ago
> I never EVER saw politicians act proactively for the good of the nation or the people, This is almost certainly because those cases don't make the news.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  They do where I live, but those are drops in the bucket compared to the industrial scale theft(wealth transfer) the central government operates.
  - ameister14 2y ago
    Well, in the United States it doesn't make the news.
- exceptione 2y ago
  Yup. Politicians react to the public when it stands up. Otherwise it will follow other agenda's. That is why it is critical to have an informed public. When journalism has to compete with corporate owned Fake News and Entertainment, journalism dies, and democracy will follow. Then, add the spy business of Big Tech in the mix, with algorithmic silo's. The people don't even realize they are locked up in a jar, where they live on a diet of cultural engineering. Now, pause a moment and think about what happens when you add AI-models to the mix. Your daughter, your neighbor will be totally brain-wrecked.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >When journalism has to compete with corporate owned Fake News and Entertainment, journalism dies, and democracy will follow. Which journalism are you referring to? The one owned by Rupert Murdoch? The Washington Post owned by Jeff Bezos? MSNBC? CNN? Are they better just because they're owned by different billionaires and interest groups? I got news for you, the journalism you knew died a long time ago.
    - xolox 2y ago
      American independent journalism seems to be dying (unfortunately) but I think in Europe there are several large news organizations reporting on things that matter in a relatively independent fashion, at least a lot more independent than what we see happening in the US (I'm thinking of e.g. The Guardian, Le Monde, I could also name a couple of Dutch news sources, but they would mean nothing to 95% of the readers here).
    - exceptione 2y ago
      That is not news to me (see my post history). The information landscape in America is segmented, and works to keep the Big Picture out the frame. To quote myself: - No real journalism, instead, career in media house depend on commercial ownership. Narratives tailored to segment, but no deep and critical analysis. - "Let us talk about the tariffs today, they make zero economic sense" - "I think what he meant is..." - "Of course this is not entirely correct, but..." - "President Trump has said.." - "Rubio did a press conference today" - Only drama, never the Big Picture. - Elections? According to the press, those are just - The latest polls! - Repeat marketing from spin doctors at affiliated media houses - "Debate" = Reality TV, scores are given on wit and emotional play As an English speaker, you have one option and that is to read The Guardian.
- jibal 2y ago
  It's certainly because they have a belief based in ideology, not fact.
sharpshadow 2y ago
Germany had with under the best deal for gas possible with Russia, I don’t understand the sentiment calling it a vulnerability. There is still a working pipeline available and Russia stated clearly if would continue delivering gas, if Germany wants to.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >I don’t understand the sentiment calling it a vulnerability - You're Germany. - You join NATO for protection from Russia, an actor with a long history of military aggression[1] - Your export economy is based on manufacturing. - The energy driving your manufacturing sector is ~60% cheap gas from Russia, your military aggressive partner. - Russia invades Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014 to no ones surprise - Leaders of USA and Eastern Europe warn you of Russia's influence on your economy - You ignore all this and build another gas pipeline from Russia - You are surprised Russia invades Ukraine(again) and gas sanctions cripple your manufacturing economy MFW German leaders and HN commenters see no vulnerability in this. Someone please stop the planet, I wish to get off, my sanity can't handle this level of stupidity anymore. [1] https://natoassociation.ca/a-timeline-of-russian-aggression/ https://natoassociation.ca/a-timeline-of-russian-aggression/
  - TacticalCoder 2y ago
    [dead]
  - fuckbrownpeople 2y ago
    [dead]
  - everythingisfin 2y ago
    > Someone please stop the planet, I wish to get off, my sanity can't handle this level of stupidity anymore. News from an American here, on an antidepressant and deathly fat from stress eating: I’m worried about the eventual welfare of those protesting. I’m hearing that people of color are being told by their pastor to stay home rather than protest so as not to risk being used as scapegoats. My family and friends are divided and still dividing over politics. I recently was crazily ranted to by big-personality entrepreneur immigrant that told me his story of how easy it was to come to the states, rags-to-riches, and how they were supporter of the administration because “they don’t want to pay taxes for illegals”. Part of the half of the U.S. that supports the administration isn’t just brainwashed, but has a very strong, angry, and desperate look, and the other part says “just wait four years and it will be over”, but it won’t; before the election, this party used gerrymandering and legal action to ensure that election, then post-election replaced election officials and many government officials. The DOE is claiming anti-semitism and the need to have viewpoint diversity to deny funding to schools that are known for their open viewpoints. And yet somehow I’m still surprised when they kill the CVE program. It’s an ever-escalating circus of chaos, because our administration thinks this was needed to ensure U.S. interests, because those vulnerable in the U.S. were manipulated by outside actors and internal power-hungry politicians and zealots, and all is spun to just feed into the chaotic nationalism that is trying to one-up every other dictator that has ever lived. To top all of this off, AI, which I use daily, will take my job before I retire, and I have no backup plan. Despite all of this, I have the will to live, to support those whom I love (even the crazy ones), and to try to make the world better. I continue to pray for direction on all of this.
chillingeffect 2y ago
Perfect exmple of the "one-deep" conservative response. PP is looking for a pattern, finding, and abstaining from questioning or contextualizing it: Engaging only with the first or most obvious layer of an issue—never going deeper into context, nuance, or systemic causes. The quickest counterexample that comes to mind is Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. It has returned billions to American citizens.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  I'm gonna have to stop engaging with you here if you start a comment by accusing someone to be a conservative. If your first reaction is putting people into political/ideological camps in order to make their arguments weaker and easier to attack form a holier than though political/ideological angle, it's game over for me as I like to judge actions objectively based on the outcomes, not conservative vs democrat, left vs right, etc. since corruption and incompetence is colorblind. I don't care which side of the political isle did what, I'm pointing at the systemic failures of the entire system built like a house of cards by all political parties, which collapsed as no thought was put into building it, and only chased short term profits at the expense of long term security. Trying to finger point a single political side only detracts from the issue which is the classic "divide and conquer" tactic politicians have been using to deflect blame and get away with it.
  - bsenftner 2y ago
    It is damningly simple, the root cause beneath far too many issues our advanced civilization faces: we have a global adult immaturity issue, species wide. The leaders that are crony capitalist and widely populist are in truth terribly immature public figures. Our incredibly short sighted (also an immature behavior) news and analyst media pretends to be adult while never really having any solutions that are not plain school yard bullying and tribe glorifying. And the public is only allowed outsider fringe opportunities to include their voice in these public non-debates. We do not produce adults anymore, we produce a civilization of Lindsay Lohans that think they are adult men and women.

belter 2y ago

https://www.enisa.europa.eu/topics/vulnerability-disclosure https://www.enisa.europa.eu/topics/vulnerability-disclosure

ta1243 2y ago

I thought exactly the same until https://euvd.enisa.europa.eu/ https://euvd.enisa.europa.eu/ Appeared on the front page, with © 2005-2024 by the European Union Agency for Cybersecurity. This is just an example of US cultural defaultism.