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What does support mean? Ship most of our manufacturing there or politely meet their political leadership once a year?

bluGill 2y ago
Free trade. So their ecconomy grows and with it edutated people who can afford to see the world and in turn how thep have been lied to.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >So their ecconomy grows and with it edutated people who can afford to see the world and in turn how thep have been lied to. As has happened with China? When they opened up trade and became part of a global economy their nationalistic ambitions stopped and they ceased to support dictatorships like Russia. Also their political system opened up and they morphed from a uniparty communist country to a liberal democracy. Oh wait, the exact opposite happened on all accounts. You didn't answer my question. Why would Vietnam be any different? Why should the US help build their economy so that they can do the exact same thing as China did. Your theory of how this works is disproven by reality. You can not make a country a liberal democracy by opening up trade with them. It failed with China, it failed with Russia.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    The irony is that China was actually against Russia into the 90s (Sino Soviet split was still on), and nationalism was taboo also because too many people were burned by the cultural revolution. Changes were made after 1989 to encourage more nationalism, and that all culminates with Xi (China and Russia are still frenemies, but mutual antagonism with the USA has brought them closer).
  - bluGill 2y ago
    > You can not make a country a liberal democracy by opening up trade with them. It failed with China, it failed with Russia. It worked with South Korea, and Taiwan. (Japan and Germany, but they were on the losing side of a war with us which is a confounding factor). It is by no means perfect, but I've yet to see anyone suggest something else that has any chance of working.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      SK and Taiwan weren't communist dictatorships. Japan and Germany did not get convinced by the virtues of liberal democracy and free trade. They were both forcibly converted under US occupation.
      - jack1243star 2y ago
        > SK and Taiwan weren't communist dictatorships. They were by all means military dictatorships, just not communist.

Free trade. So their ecconomy grows and with it edutated people who can afford to see the world and in turn how thep have been lied to.

constantcrying 2y ago
>So their ecconomy grows and with it edutated people who can afford to see the world and in turn how thep have been lied to. As has happened with China? When they opened up trade and became part of a global economy their nationalistic ambitions stopped and they ceased to support dictatorships like Russia. Also their political system opened up and they morphed from a uniparty communist country to a liberal democracy. Oh wait, the exact opposite happened on all accounts. You didn't answer my question. Why would Vietnam be any different? Why should the US help build their economy so that they can do the exact same thing as China did. Your theory of how this works is disproven by reality. You can not make a country a liberal democracy by opening up trade with them. It failed with China, it failed with Russia.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  The irony is that China was actually against Russia into the 90s (Sino Soviet split was still on), and nationalism was taboo also because too many people were burned by the cultural revolution. Changes were made after 1989 to encourage more nationalism, and that all culminates with Xi (China and Russia are still frenemies, but mutual antagonism with the USA has brought them closer).
- bluGill 2y ago
  > You can not make a country a liberal democracy by opening up trade with them. It failed with China, it failed with Russia. It worked with South Korea, and Taiwan. (Japan and Germany, but they were on the losing side of a war with us which is a confounding factor). It is by no means perfect, but I've yet to see anyone suggest something else that has any chance of working.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    SK and Taiwan weren't communist dictatorships. Japan and Germany did not get convinced by the virtues of liberal democracy and free trade. They were both forcibly converted under US occupation.
    - jack1243star 2y ago
      > SK and Taiwan weren't communist dictatorships. They were by all means military dictatorships, just not communist.