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DOGE is doing this, it's not a "scapegoat", and Trump is not going to negotiate anything here, that's ridiculous. What leverage do you have for the DOGE boys?

DOGE is doing this, it's not a "scapegoat", and Trump is not going to negotiate anything here, that's ridiculous. What leverage do you have for the DOGE boys? What power? Resigning? Because on the Defense side of the government the best leverage that some teams have found is mass resignation, meaning that nothing happens. There is no negotiating with bullies, it merely breeds more concessions.

mmooss 2y ago
> DOGE is doing this, it's not a "scapegoat", and Trump is not going to negotiate anything here, that's ridiculous. DOGE follows Trump's direction and acts on his behalf, as you must know. They make a big deal out of DOGE so Trump's name is less attached to these actions. Then they can take much of the blame with them when they go away, with Trump and the GOP blaming them for 'excesses'. > Trump is not going to negotiate anything here, that's ridiculous. > What leverage do you have for the DOGE boys? You don't understand how negotiations work. Everyone has interests, strengths and weaknesses, and power. You need to make it in Trump's interest to keep the CVE program. Everyone saying they are helpless, and that anything else is ridiculous, are panicking. Very unfortunately - dangerously - many people legitimize the panic. It's so normalized that it's "ridiculous" not to panic. Every day you continue this behavior, you fall further and further behind and lead others in that direction. Will you wake up in time?
- djur 2y ago
  I don't think there's any reason to believe that Trump is mentally competent to understand what's happening here or engage in any kind of meaningful negotiation.
- figgis 2y ago
  Currently the "discussion of leverage" you are talking about is out of the hands of the leaders who run these programs. The amount of disrespect you have shown for someone that is just telling you 99% of federal workers have absolutely no leverage says a lot.
  - stavros 2y ago
    Isn't the US supposed to be the birthplace of modern democracy? When did you guys forget about protests and rallies?
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    - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
      It's just not practical to organize a rally to save a niche cybersecurity program. People are busy protesting to protect Medicaid and keep themselves out of foreign gulags, they can't divert the attention to CVE.
      - stavros 2y ago
        That's fine, protests aren't surgical tools anyway. As long as people are protesting, it's OK.
    - nosianu 2y ago
      > Isn't the US supposed to be the birthplace of modern democracy? I would not dare not mention the revolutions in England and in France. And before that some Greece city states, and definitely Rome. The US declaration of independence is just another point.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > Currently the "discussion of leverage" you are talking about is out of the hands of the leaders who run these programs. That's an assertion without any any argument. It means nothing. > The amount of disrespect you have shown for someone that is just telling you 99% of federal workers have absolutely no leverage says a lot. What does it say? Why is such a person somehow special?
- throitallaway 2y ago
  > You need to make it in Trump's interest to keep the CVE program. This guy is ~80 years old and bragged about "person, woman, man, camera, TV." He recently got into a Tesler and exclaimed "everything's computer!" Have you seen the way his aids explain executive orders to him (like a child) before he signs them? He doesn't have the foggiest notion of comprehension of what the CVE program is, or how it would benefit him. Unless you're greasing his wheels, it's not going to happen.
  - 1oooqooq 2y ago
    he sure understand two things. one it costs the us and is needed by everyone, so he thinks but paying it someone will pick it up and then the us will be the free loader. second, he understands that helps he and his pals wash dirty money.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    He's convinced you to quit and let him do whatever he wants. That's the problem.
- markhahn 2y ago
  I'm curious by what means you think Trump can be bargained with. Do you mean things like handsfull of like-minded countries selling t-bonds? No one in the R party has any leverage, and it's not clear that even a few US billionaires could exert any influence. Do you really think Trump has ever heard of "CVE" or could comprehend them?

mmooss 2y ago

> DOGE is doing this, it's not a "scapegoat", and Trump is not going to negotiate anything here, that's ridiculous. DOGE follows Trump's direction and acts on his behalf, as you must know. They make a big deal out of DOGE so Trump's name is less attached to these actions. Then they can take much of the blame with them when they go away, with Trump and the GOP blaming them for 'excesses'. > Trump is not going to negotiate anything here, that's ridiculous. > What leverage do you have for the DOGE boys? You don't understand how negotiations work. Everyone has interests, strengths and weaknesses, and power. You need to make it in Trump's interest to keep the CVE program. Everyone saying they are helpless, and that anything else is ridiculous, are panicking. Very unfortunately - dangerously - many people legitimize the panic. It's so normalized that it's "ridiculous" not to panic. Every day you continue this behavior, you fall further and further behind and lead others in that direction. Will you wake up in time?

djur 2y ago
I don't think there's any reason to believe that Trump is mentally competent to understand what's happening here or engage in any kind of meaningful negotiation.
figgis 2y ago
Currently the "discussion of leverage" you are talking about is out of the hands of the leaders who run these programs. The amount of disrespect you have shown for someone that is just telling you 99% of federal workers have absolutely no leverage says a lot.
- stavros 2y ago
  Isn't the US supposed to be the birthplace of modern democracy? When did you guys forget about protests and rallies?
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
    It's just not practical to organize a rally to save a niche cybersecurity program. People are busy protesting to protect Medicaid and keep themselves out of foreign gulags, they can't divert the attention to CVE.
    - stavros 2y ago
      That's fine, protests aren't surgical tools anyway. As long as people are protesting, it's OK.
  - nosianu 2y ago
    > Isn't the US supposed to be the birthplace of modern democracy? I would not dare not mention the revolutions in England and in France. And before that some Greece city states, and definitely Rome. The US declaration of independence is just another point.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > Currently the "discussion of leverage" you are talking about is out of the hands of the leaders who run these programs. That's an assertion without any any argument. It means nothing. > The amount of disrespect you have shown for someone that is just telling you 99% of federal workers have absolutely no leverage says a lot. What does it say? Why is such a person somehow special?
throitallaway 2y ago
> You need to make it in Trump's interest to keep the CVE program. This guy is ~80 years old and bragged about "person, woman, man, camera, TV." He recently got into a Tesler and exclaimed "everything's computer!" Have you seen the way his aids explain executive orders to him (like a child) before he signs them? He doesn't have the foggiest notion of comprehension of what the CVE program is, or how it would benefit him. Unless you're greasing his wheels, it's not going to happen.
- 1oooqooq 2y ago
  he sure understand two things. one it costs the us and is needed by everyone, so he thinks but paying it someone will pick it up and then the us will be the free loader. second, he understands that helps he and his pals wash dirty money.
- mmooss 2y ago
  He's convinced you to quit and let him do whatever he wants. That's the problem.
markhahn 2y ago
I'm curious by what means you think Trump can be bargained with. Do you mean things like handsfull of like-minded countries selling t-bonds? No one in the R party has any leverage, and it's not clear that even a few US billionaires could exert any influence. Do you really think Trump has ever heard of "CVE" or could comprehend them?