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Philosophy Major Snatched by ICE During Citizenship Interview

139 points by mdp2021 2y ago

mdp2021 2y ago
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- nemomarx 2y ago
  I can see the value in telling people to avoid the us for travel and work, but I'm not sure I see much people can do to change this situation other than being more cautious?
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    > but I'm not sure I see much people can do to change this situation other than being more cautious? The rate things are going, y'all need to revive the Underground Railroad or, to use a more historically accurate comparison, what a few German citizens did during 1933-1945 - hide foreigners in your homes to prevent them being sent off to extermination camps.
    - RajT88 2y ago
      Trump floated this week deporting citizens. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-wants-deport-some-us-citizens-el-salvador-2025-04-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-wants-deport-so...
      - _bin_ 2y ago
        Question, since I can't seem to find the answer anywhere: is he actually discussing deportation or is he effectively talking about using Salvadoran prisons on a contract basis? That's probably not especially humane; then again, neither are existing private prisons. We do have crazy crowding and overflow problems so I can understand the motivation though I doubt El Salvador is providing much in the way of better conditions.
        mschuster91 2y ago
        El Salvador is chosen because no matter what even the Supreme Court says or should this administration be yeeted out of office, as long as Bukele doesn't say otherwise, there is nothing short of a military invasion that can bring any of these prisoners back. The cruelty is the point.
        RajT88 2y ago
        On the surface it looks like the latter. But when visas are getting revoked from equating "hey guys, maybe war crimes against Palestinian civilians are bad" with terrorism I do not think we can trust that any legal precedent will be leveraged only for its stated purpose.
    - _bin_ 2y ago
      It's not particularly constructive to talk about "extermination camps" when there is no particular evidence of that. Disrespecting rule of law is bad but an aggressive deportation policy after years of ignoring it, given that we don't have the infrastructure to support eleven million cases, is at least understandable in motivation. It's the only practical way to deport all of them, not a few thousand like most admins end up doing, though I disagree with these means of addressing the issue as opposed to forcing self-deports.
      - mschuster91 2y ago
        > It's not particularly constructive to talk about "extermination camps" when there is no particular evidence of that. Yet. That's the thing. Remember the "Hang Mike Pence" chants, the gallows they brought Jan 6th? The administration and its fanbase are not shy of calling for terminal violence. I'm German, we all learn in school how the 1933-1945 regime started. And it didn't start with extermination campaigns directly back then as well - it started with confiscating and burning books, with one of the first targets being the Hirschfeld Institute that was researching LGBT questions. And over time, pressure ratcheted up, and target lists increased. People were snatched from the streets, secret police rounded up houses, and eventually they ended up corralling off entire neighborhoods, swiftly disposing of the people in the extermination camps.
        _bin_ 2y ago
        Are we just pretending that calls for political violence aren't more or less de rigueur in today's political climate? Years of "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests, of people celebrating the multiple assassination attempts on Trump, etc. I'm "both sidesing" this not out of a pathological compulsion to defend right-wingers but because pretending this is unique to the right wing means we'll misidentify the underlying cause and fail to fix it.
      - naught0 2y ago
        What do you mean "ignoring" it? Biden deported hundreds of thousands of people, surpassing even Trump's records. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o If the only practical way to deport the "right" amount of people is to disobey the courts and catch innocent Americans in the dragnet and deny them of due process, then maybe we shouldn't do that. You say that their motivations are understandable, but so are the reasons behind extermination camps. They are ruthlessly efficient. Having a reason for doing something does not make it right, just, or legal. At the end of the day, we have sent dozens of immigrants with legal status and no criminal history to El Salvador's version of Guantanamo Bay, where people do indeed die with regularity. Here's something from last year: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/el-salvadors-prisons-deaths-anti-gang-crackdown-rcna161327 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/el-salvadors-prisons-deat... So, we're sending Americans of a certain stripe (color) to camps in other countries where there is no escape, and where it is not unlikely they will perish. What do you call this?
- pmarreck 2y ago
  I literally don't understand your first sentence. I understand if English isn't your first language, but please swing it past an LLM to clarify.
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    No, Mr. Marrek. My words are very much chosen, to the extent that my time allows. I am very certainly not using CollectiveBot to express my own thought. I am not sure about what you could not understand. "I am sorry, as I would like to submit news about more pleasant matters, but reality is more pressing; I see that available information tell us that some events of potential particular concern emerge, as special cases in the running trends; I believe that it is best to transmit the information to this public, also as many of us have some relation with the source of those events and trends".
- palmotea 2y ago
  > Edit: apologies but I must leave the desk for a few hours - I will not be able to try and help moderate the submission for a while. As always, I recommend being cold headed, rational and productive. Do you mean voting on comments like a regular user? You're not one of the official moderators (dang and tomhow), but your phrasing seems like you're putting on airs like you are one.
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    > Do you mean I mean also taking care of monitoring posts and trying to steer towards and objective of discussion towards assessment, as opposed to visceral reactions, through replies. When I submit something I try to take some relative responsibility towards the submission - through participation. When I submit something that has undesirable sides (as in, we wish this was not news), I take further responsibility in trying to make the discussion work. > airs We are not children. ;) By the way, you are obliged at least by the guidelines to assume we are not, whenever a doubt arises. And in general, it is more hygienic for you if you avoid going around with lowly traits painted on your glasses.
leereeves 2y ago
A different source (CBC) for the same story was posted yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43688069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43688069
- tannedNerd 2y ago
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  - organsnyder 2y ago
    I agree, but OP didn't make any value judgment about this post.
    - tannedNerd 2y ago
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      - palmotea 2y ago
        > I would argue people complaining about seeing this twice are trying to pull the article without coming out as a bigot I would argue that you probably need to step away from the keyboard, if you're willing to jump to the conclusion that someone truthfully posting a very customary "this is a dup" comment is a bigot.
      - _bin_ 2y ago
        Okay, it seems like you're talking about me. I don't particularly support Trump and didn't vote for the guy but his immigration policy is one place I agree. I believe that every single illegal should be deported and probably barred from re-entry or citizenship as a punitive deterrent. I do not believe anyone besides Trump will actually do this. I do, however, disagree with Trump's targeting of pro-Palestinians. If Mahdawi originally immigrated illegally we should block a pathway to citizenship, as we should for every other current or former illegal. However, this appears to be done for the wrong reasons. Tarring everyone who dislikes illegal immigration and believes the "soft" solutions have utterly failed as a bigot is inaccurate and unproductive.
KittenInABox 2y ago
Could anyone with a legal background explain to me why a judge hasn't declared all deportations to be on pause until legality is established for this pattern of detaining people without charging of anything, flying them out of the country before a petition can be filed wrt their detainment, and then claiming that because they're out of the country the US Gov't is powerless to facilitate their return?
- TimorousBestie 2y ago
  I don’t think one needs a legal background to understand that the rule of law has been compromised.
- exe34 2y ago
  judges have been declaring a lot of things in the US, but the executive has stopped pretending that law enforcement is independent. you can produce judgements until you're blue in the face, but nothing happens unless you have somebody to enforce it.
  - RajT88 2y ago
    Well also, the party in power has spent the last 30 years specifically packing courts at all levels with friendly partisan judges. And openly talking about doing so while doing it.
    - TimorousBestie 2y ago
      And still, somehow, they can’t find enough judges to cosign their malfeasance. One wonders what the point of packing the courts was, if they weren’t going to bother upholding them anyway.
    - _bin_ 2y ago
      Left-wingers appoint left-leaning judges; right-wingers appoint right-leaning ones. Are you somehow asserting that left-wing is a "ground truth" and that only the right is partisan? You can observe the same thing happening when the fifth circuit messes with democrats in power as when the ninth messes with republicans.
TheBlight 2y ago
This is a technical forum not a subreddit. Plenty of other venues for this stuff.
- JustinAiken 2y ago
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  - mlinhares 2y ago
    And a large part of tech labour in this country is comprised of immigrants.
- 6510 2y ago
  I have often .... (what is the word for it, disrupted? enlightened?) communities highly focused on a single topic with a meta conversation about general topics. It is of course great to have [say] a physics community and talk about physics but also rather sad that such gathering of analytical people cant talk about other things that very much need their attention. It gets rather absurd where people who talk for many years and are deeply familiar with the others perspective inside the domain NEVER talk about anything outside of it. It is how these online gatherings function and why they work so well but it prevents building quality relationships in the time tested ancient way. We are missing out on truly hilarious insights, when you present professionals from one discipline wiht topics from another. A biologist might judge the fitness of the economy by fertility and average life span. Not sure what the solution to the riddle is but I suspect walled gardens are the problem. How to code a "bring your own community everywhere" I have no idea.
  - fmxsh 2y ago
    The expectation of mine is that there should be a "technical" perspective to general topics. What I mean is there need to be more critical thinking and intelligent analysis, just as is the case with all technical topics. Just consider the other post about decensoring pixelated videos with Ai. If the same kind analysis and style of thinking about the topic is brought to political discussions... that's what I mean. For example, intelligent sociological analytical perspective of the political thing at hand. An unconditional exercise of critical thinking... However, political discussions seem to not even devolve from a higher standard, but remain at the most infantile level of emotional outbursts. Oppiniated without interest in analysis. Well... likely exaggerating, but anyway. (perhaps my bias)
resters 2y ago
Thanks to HN's naive and draconian policy prohibiting political discussion (which is itself a clear political statement) there is little point to discussing concerning issues like this as anyone expressing an opinion will be downvoted, shadow-banned, etc. Let it also be noted that Garry Tan is overtly conservative (rails on X about many of the same social issues than animate Trump supporters) and PG holds strongly right wing (largely Burkean) views on many subjects. edit: The discussion has already been flagged/suppressed. There is zero contemptuous discussion, only a few reasonable back and forth threads about various things.
- _bin_ 2y ago
  Tan is not especially conservative; he, like others, has witnessed a failure to address those social issues turn SF into a dump. There is a great difference between noticing the same objective problems as some Trump supporters - which are nigh impossible not to if one does live in SF - and supporting the same solutions. There is also a difference between the same underlying values and worldview and being willing to consider some of those solutions because the progressive options have spectacularly failed. PG is not someone I'd consider remotely right-wing. I periodically see tweets of his surface and he seems strongly opposed to the current administration.
  - resters 2y ago
    Who said the following, Garry Tan or Donald Trump? “Soft-on-crime policies have turned SF into a free-for-all. Shoplifting, car break-ins, and open drug use aren’t victimless. We need a DA who’ll enforce the law and cops who aren’t afraid to act.”
    - _bin_ 2y ago
      Probably Tan? You are wholly ignoring my point: these are factual and obvious issues. Identifying them and proposing obvious solutions isn't being a Trump supporter. Trump does not have a monopoly on every position besides radical progressive. Said progressives had their chance - more than enough chances - at fixing the issues in SF "their way". When one solution fails, it is natural and sensible to try others. This is why you can see SF voters shifting their positions too. I do not think that an incredibly leftist city magically turned into trump supporters. It's not helpful for the left to act like Trump has a monopoly on legitimate use of law enforcement and maintaining some level of order.
buyucu 2y ago
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- organsnyder 2y ago
  Yep. If there is no due process, how do you prove that you're a citizen?
apwell23 2y ago
whats the relevance of them being a 'philosophy major' ?
- nabla9 2y ago
  Not being working class. Philosophy major is something educated classes can related to as in "It could happen to me or my friends."
  - apwell23 2y ago
    all the philosophy majors i know are working class ( baristas and such)
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  It's at the very least shorthand for "probably has a valid student visa" here.
  - apwell23 2y ago
    getting citizenship on student visa?
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      As a starting point? Sure. Marry a citizen or get a job, get residency, then apply for citizenship. Guy was ticking the correct boxes, not sneaking across the border.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  The source is the Daily Nous - for professional philosophers. Moreover, it explains who this person is - a student («a philosophy major at Columbia University who is due to graduate later this semester»).
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pmarreck 2y ago
I was mainly devils'-advocating, up until this guy. With this guy, I can find no fault. If you watch his 60 Minutes interview, it seems heartfelt and authentic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA Plus, if he was born Palestinian and is now a Buddhist, that means that he willingly chose to endure the risk of getting killed as an apostate. Something must be done.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  > I can find no fault Is it possible that some pieces of the administration are trying exactly to convey a point, that they "cannot give a toss"? Because that is what transpires from many signals. You know, some interpretation of "realism" as in "proposing the beast as normalcy in a blindness towards morals"? It seems as if brutality is actively proposed as a value.
- edanm 2y ago
  > if he was born Palestinian and is now a Buddhist, that means that he willingly chose to endure the risk of getting killed as an apostate. I haven't watched the video yet but just FYI, there are Palestinians of several different religions, e.g. Palestinian Christians, Druze, etc.

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nemomarx 2y ago
I can see the value in telling people to avoid the us for travel and work, but I'm not sure I see much people can do to change this situation other than being more cautious?
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > but I'm not sure I see much people can do to change this situation other than being more cautious? The rate things are going, y'all need to revive the Underground Railroad or, to use a more historically accurate comparison, what a few German citizens did during 1933-1945 - hide foreigners in your homes to prevent them being sent off to extermination camps.
  - RajT88 2y ago
    Trump floated this week deporting citizens. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-wants-deport-some-us-citizens-el-salvador-2025-04-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-wants-deport-so...
    - _bin_ 2y ago
      Question, since I can't seem to find the answer anywhere: is he actually discussing deportation or is he effectively talking about using Salvadoran prisons on a contract basis? That's probably not especially humane; then again, neither are existing private prisons. We do have crazy crowding and overflow problems so I can understand the motivation though I doubt El Salvador is providing much in the way of better conditions.
      - mschuster91 2y ago
        El Salvador is chosen because no matter what even the Supreme Court says or should this administration be yeeted out of office, as long as Bukele doesn't say otherwise, there is nothing short of a military invasion that can bring any of these prisoners back. The cruelty is the point.
      - RajT88 2y ago
        On the surface it looks like the latter. But when visas are getting revoked from equating "hey guys, maybe war crimes against Palestinian civilians are bad" with terrorism I do not think we can trust that any legal precedent will be leveraged only for its stated purpose.
  - _bin_ 2y ago
    It's not particularly constructive to talk about "extermination camps" when there is no particular evidence of that. Disrespecting rule of law is bad but an aggressive deportation policy after years of ignoring it, given that we don't have the infrastructure to support eleven million cases, is at least understandable in motivation. It's the only practical way to deport all of them, not a few thousand like most admins end up doing, though I disagree with these means of addressing the issue as opposed to forcing self-deports.
    - mschuster91 2y ago
      > It's not particularly constructive to talk about "extermination camps" when there is no particular evidence of that. Yet. That's the thing. Remember the "Hang Mike Pence" chants, the gallows they brought Jan 6th? The administration and its fanbase are not shy of calling for terminal violence. I'm German, we all learn in school how the 1933-1945 regime started. And it didn't start with extermination campaigns directly back then as well - it started with confiscating and burning books, with one of the first targets being the Hirschfeld Institute that was researching LGBT questions. And over time, pressure ratcheted up, and target lists increased. People were snatched from the streets, secret police rounded up houses, and eventually they ended up corralling off entire neighborhoods, swiftly disposing of the people in the extermination camps.
      - _bin_ 2y ago
        Are we just pretending that calls for political violence aren't more or less de rigueur in today's political climate? Years of "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests, of people celebrating the multiple assassination attempts on Trump, etc. I'm "both sidesing" this not out of a pathological compulsion to defend right-wingers but because pretending this is unique to the right wing means we'll misidentify the underlying cause and fail to fix it.
    - naught0 2y ago
      What do you mean "ignoring" it? Biden deported hundreds of thousands of people, surpassing even Trump's records. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o If the only practical way to deport the "right" amount of people is to disobey the courts and catch innocent Americans in the dragnet and deny them of due process, then maybe we shouldn't do that. You say that their motivations are understandable, but so are the reasons behind extermination camps. They are ruthlessly efficient. Having a reason for doing something does not make it right, just, or legal. At the end of the day, we have sent dozens of immigrants with legal status and no criminal history to El Salvador's version of Guantanamo Bay, where people do indeed die with regularity. Here's something from last year: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/el-salvadors-prisons-deaths-anti-gang-crackdown-rcna161327 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/el-salvadors-prisons-deat... So, we're sending Americans of a certain stripe (color) to camps in other countries where there is no escape, and where it is not unlikely they will perish. What do you call this?
pmarreck 2y ago
I literally don't understand your first sentence. I understand if English isn't your first language, but please swing it past an LLM to clarify.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  No, Mr. Marrek. My words are very much chosen, to the extent that my time allows. I am very certainly not using CollectiveBot to express my own thought. I am not sure about what you could not understand. "I am sorry, as I would like to submit news about more pleasant matters, but reality is more pressing; I see that available information tell us that some events of potential particular concern emerge, as special cases in the running trends; I believe that it is best to transmit the information to this public, also as many of us have some relation with the source of those events and trends".
palmotea 2y ago
> Edit: apologies but I must leave the desk for a few hours - I will not be able to try and help moderate the submission for a while. As always, I recommend being cold headed, rational and productive. Do you mean voting on comments like a regular user? You're not one of the official moderators (dang and tomhow), but your phrasing seems like you're putting on airs like you are one.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  > Do you mean I mean also taking care of monitoring posts and trying to steer towards and objective of discussion towards assessment, as opposed to visceral reactions, through replies. When I submit something I try to take some relative responsibility towards the submission - through participation. When I submit something that has undesirable sides (as in, we wish this was not news), I take further responsibility in trying to make the discussion work. > airs We are not children. ;) By the way, you are obliged at least by the guidelines to assume we are not, whenever a doubt arises. And in general, it is more hygienic for you if you avoid going around with lowly traits painted on your glasses.

leereeves 2y ago

A different source (CBC) for the same story was posted yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43688069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43688069

tannedNerd 2y ago
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- organsnyder 2y ago
  I agree, but OP didn't make any value judgment about this post.
  - tannedNerd 2y ago
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    - palmotea 2y ago
      > I would argue people complaining about seeing this twice are trying to pull the article without coming out as a bigot I would argue that you probably need to step away from the keyboard, if you're willing to jump to the conclusion that someone truthfully posting a very customary "this is a dup" comment is a bigot.
    - _bin_ 2y ago
      Okay, it seems like you're talking about me. I don't particularly support Trump and didn't vote for the guy but his immigration policy is one place I agree. I believe that every single illegal should be deported and probably barred from re-entry or citizenship as a punitive deterrent. I do not believe anyone besides Trump will actually do this. I do, however, disagree with Trump's targeting of pro-Palestinians. If Mahdawi originally immigrated illegally we should block a pathway to citizenship, as we should for every other current or former illegal. However, this appears to be done for the wrong reasons. Tarring everyone who dislikes illegal immigration and believes the "soft" solutions have utterly failed as a bigot is inaccurate and unproductive.

KittenInABox 2y ago

Could anyone with a legal background explain to me why a judge hasn't declared all deportations to be on pause until legality is established for this pattern of detaining people without charging of anything, flying them out of the country before a petition can be filed wrt their detainment, and then claiming that because they're out of the country the US Gov't is powerless to facilitate their return?

TimorousBestie 2y ago
I don’t think one needs a legal background to understand that the rule of law has been compromised.
exe34 2y ago
judges have been declaring a lot of things in the US, but the executive has stopped pretending that law enforcement is independent. you can produce judgements until you're blue in the face, but nothing happens unless you have somebody to enforce it.
- RajT88 2y ago
  Well also, the party in power has spent the last 30 years specifically packing courts at all levels with friendly partisan judges. And openly talking about doing so while doing it.
  - TimorousBestie 2y ago
    And still, somehow, they can’t find enough judges to cosign their malfeasance. One wonders what the point of packing the courts was, if they weren’t going to bother upholding them anyway.
  - _bin_ 2y ago
    Left-wingers appoint left-leaning judges; right-wingers appoint right-leaning ones. Are you somehow asserting that left-wing is a "ground truth" and that only the right is partisan? You can observe the same thing happening when the fifth circuit messes with democrats in power as when the ninth messes with republicans.

TheBlight 2y ago

This is a technical forum not a subreddit. Plenty of other venues for this stuff.

JustinAiken 2y ago
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- mlinhares 2y ago
  And a large part of tech labour in this country is comprised of immigrants.
6510 2y ago
I have often .... (what is the word for it, disrupted? enlightened?) communities highly focused on a single topic with a meta conversation about general topics. It is of course great to have [say] a physics community and talk about physics but also rather sad that such gathering of analytical people cant talk about other things that very much need their attention. It gets rather absurd where people who talk for many years and are deeply familiar with the others perspective inside the domain NEVER talk about anything outside of it. It is how these online gatherings function and why they work so well but it prevents building quality relationships in the time tested ancient way. We are missing out on truly hilarious insights, when you present professionals from one discipline wiht topics from another. A biologist might judge the fitness of the economy by fertility and average life span. Not sure what the solution to the riddle is but I suspect walled gardens are the problem. How to code a "bring your own community everywhere" I have no idea.
- fmxsh 2y ago
  The expectation of mine is that there should be a "technical" perspective to general topics. What I mean is there need to be more critical thinking and intelligent analysis, just as is the case with all technical topics. Just consider the other post about decensoring pixelated videos with Ai. If the same kind analysis and style of thinking about the topic is brought to political discussions... that's what I mean. For example, intelligent sociological analytical perspective of the political thing at hand. An unconditional exercise of critical thinking... However, political discussions seem to not even devolve from a higher standard, but remain at the most infantile level of emotional outbursts. Oppiniated without interest in analysis. Well... likely exaggerating, but anyway. (perhaps my bias)

resters 2y ago

Thanks to HN's naive and draconian policy prohibiting political discussion (which is itself a clear political statement) there is little point to discussing concerning issues like this as anyone expressing an opinion will be downvoted, shadow-banned, etc. Let it also be noted that Garry Tan is overtly conservative (rails on X about many of the same social issues than animate Trump supporters) and PG holds strongly right wing (largely Burkean) views on many subjects. edit: The discussion has already been flagged/suppressed. There is zero contemptuous discussion, only a few reasonable back and forth threads about various things.

_bin_ 2y ago
Tan is not especially conservative; he, like others, has witnessed a failure to address those social issues turn SF into a dump. There is a great difference between noticing the same objective problems as some Trump supporters - which are nigh impossible not to if one does live in SF - and supporting the same solutions. There is also a difference between the same underlying values and worldview and being willing to consider some of those solutions because the progressive options have spectacularly failed. PG is not someone I'd consider remotely right-wing. I periodically see tweets of his surface and he seems strongly opposed to the current administration.
- resters 2y ago
  Who said the following, Garry Tan or Donald Trump? “Soft-on-crime policies have turned SF into a free-for-all. Shoplifting, car break-ins, and open drug use aren’t victimless. We need a DA who’ll enforce the law and cops who aren’t afraid to act.”
  - _bin_ 2y ago
    Probably Tan? You are wholly ignoring my point: these are factual and obvious issues. Identifying them and proposing obvious solutions isn't being a Trump supporter. Trump does not have a monopoly on every position besides radical progressive. Said progressives had their chance - more than enough chances - at fixing the issues in SF "their way". When one solution fails, it is natural and sensible to try others. This is why you can see SF voters shifting their positions too. I do not think that an incredibly leftist city magically turned into trump supporters. It's not helpful for the left to act like Trump has a monopoly on legitimate use of law enforcement and maintaining some level of order.

buyucu 2y ago

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organsnyder 2y ago
Yep. If there is no due process, how do you prove that you're a citizen?

apwell23 2y ago

whats the relevance of them being a 'philosophy major' ?

nabla9 2y ago
Not being working class. Philosophy major is something educated classes can related to as in "It could happen to me or my friends."
- apwell23 2y ago
  all the philosophy majors i know are working class ( baristas and such)
ceejayoz 2y ago
It's at the very least shorthand for "probably has a valid student visa" here.
- apwell23 2y ago
  getting citizenship on student visa?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    As a starting point? Sure. Marry a citizen or get a job, get residency, then apply for citizenship. Guy was ticking the correct boxes, not sneaking across the border.
mdp2021 2y ago
The source is the Daily Nous - for professional philosophers. Moreover, it explains who this person is - a student («a philosophy major at Columbia University who is due to graduate later this semester»).

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pmarreck 2y ago

I was mainly devils'-advocating, up until this guy. With this guy, I can find no fault. If you watch his 60 Minutes interview, it seems heartfelt and authentic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grj328-hlhA Plus, if he was born Palestinian and is now a Buddhist, that means that he willingly chose to endure the risk of getting killed as an apostate. Something must be done.

mdp2021 2y ago
> I can find no fault Is it possible that some pieces of the administration are trying exactly to convey a point, that they "cannot give a toss"? Because that is what transpires from many signals. You know, some interpretation of "realism" as in "proposing the beast as normalcy in a blindness towards morals"? It seems as if brutality is actively proposed as a value.
edanm 2y ago
> if he was born Palestinian and is now a Buddhist, that means that he willingly chose to endure the risk of getting killed as an apostate. I haven't watched the video yet but just FYI, there are Palestinians of several different religions, e.g. Palestinian Christians, Druze, etc.